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... and the reason you're omitting the possibility that someone can change or even learn from experience in the intervening period of time, Azara, and that someone else might possibly recognise that is ... ?

Firstly, can i point out that i am, in fact, 16 years old, so the same applies to me as to spook.

Re. the nothing thread: So, I'm intolerant, what you failed to point out in your quotes was that i was making posts like that after about 10 pages spread over 3 PR threads of being nice, and i'd had enough. Anyway, we ended up with a brilliant entry that made the front page, so the PR process worked perfectly. (and yes, the ends do justify the means, when it helps my arguement that they do )

I'd like to point out that I contacted Natalie by email before the italics interfered, so you can blame me for that, but i would like to agree with hvl's () opinion that they shouldn't be bringing my age into this. I don't know why they did, and i wish they hadn't. My age is nothing to do with this, and i'm starting to regret publishing it.

Researcher 32077

Fascinating.

1. The identity of O. Fascinating.

2. The Italics lied outright in their first email to me in an attempt to get me to cooperate. Fascinating.

3. Tango agrees with me that bringing his age into it is patronising and irrelevant, presumably doubly so since the Italics actually lied about it. Fascinating - as well as more than a little ironic.

Apologies for the interruption to your gloating.

H.

I applaud all of those wonderful staff and researchers that allow h2g2 to have so many deep, running layers of irony.

spelugx

I don't know that I would say that the italics lied. My guess is that the italics based their information about Tango's age on what he states on his user page. Which pretty clearly identifies him as 15-year old. If he hasn't updated it since his last birthday, I don't think you can blame that on the italics -- they don't ask for birthdates at registration, do they?

In case anyone needs a reference to the above point, as I'm rather sure Tango will likely change the text now that I've pointed this out:

"Hello and Welcome to my Personal Space! In case you want to know, in real life I am a 15 year old called Thomas Dalton (you didn't want to know that? Well tough, now you do! )."

So I think I'd call this more a case of mixed signals than anyone outright lying. Although whether ignorance is an excuse for giving out misinformation is another issue altogether, but that comes into a debate about what is and isn't a lie, and I have a feeling we really don't want to go there today.

Hi, Tango!

I certainly agree that the PR process greatly improved the Nothing entry - I think your contribution as a Peer Reviewer has been extremely useful, and I'd certainly be happy to have you comment on my entries, when I get back to writing again.

The inconsistency I was objecting to was the apparent idea that when you implied that Spook was immature and unconstructive, this was an honest opinion, but when Hoovooloo implied the same, he was lying

If you were justified (based on your experience in the Nothing thread)in finding Spook immature, then surely Hoovooloo was entitled to express his similar opinion (based on his experience) without being accused of lying?

I have no problem with you changing your mind since the Nothing thread. But I'm curious, do you now feel that:

1 You were right at the time, but Spook has changed a lot since
or
2 You were mistaken
or
3 You were lying?

In the case of 1 and 2, I think you are unjustified in assuming that someone else who holds the opinion you once held is lying.

In the case of 3, your indignation in accusing Hoovooloo was misplaced.


I was reading the thread when hostilites broke out, and I felt at the time that Hoovooloo was being as insulting as possible, without actually lying. The fact that this Cunning Plan sailed right over many people's heads certainly threw a spanner in the works


Azara

Thought this thread was dead, then it suddenly appeared again today.

I still don't see how someone can be accused of 'lying' when they are just expressing an opinion. After the opinion has been expressed then others can take it upon themselves to decide whether said opinion is true or not, according to their own opinion.

And then people can choose to 1) either defend themselves or 2) decide it's really not worth the bother.

I previously didn't know there were separate rules for people aged 15 and under. Shouldn't this be posted on the main page of h2g2? Or in the House Rules?

az

the rules for 15s and under are ones of personal details, nothing else.

Tango accused HVL of lying about me, and the proof is in the fact that the post where he lied about me has been removed because it was 'offensive'. if the comment was a fair opinion it would have been 'critical' but not 'offensive'.

spook

hello Spook,

To be perfectly honest, if someone ever said anything to me I didn't like here on h2g2 I rather doubt I would take it as personally as you have taken all of this. Even if they said something nasty 'about' me. Like, do I care? I've had someone attack me rather unfairly on a thread and at first it upset me, but then I thought - oh, who cares what this person thinks anyhow?

You cannot truly say Hoovooloo lied about you if he was only expressing his personal opinion. You might think that what he said 'was not true about you' but - hey - everyone is allowed to have their opinions, doncha think? I certainly can't control how people are going to think about me, the opinions they will make, etc.

If I find someone here being offensive then I have two options: 1) to argue with them about this or 2) to totally ignore them.

And usually I choose number 2.

I truthfully cannot say if Hoovooloo 'lied' about you because I don't know you. But if he expressed personal opinions about you that you do not think are true, then, take one of the two options listed above.

Meanwhile, I cannot think that the offensive post you mentioned being removed is any sort of 'proof' that Hoovooloo lied about you. It was more like someone (perhaps you?) yikesed that posting to get it hidden.

I don't think I would ever yikes anything here on h2g2. Even if I found it totally repellent. For the basic reason that I would like the person posting that stuff to be seen for what they are.

After all, what is a 'fair opinion'? The one we want to hear?

Sometimes we can learn most from the opinions we don't like hearing at all.

az

This thread DID stop, and it SHOULD stop. Someone just posted some smileys for no apparent reason, and thus restarted this whole thing. PLEASE STOP NOW!!

Tango

Neither me nor HVL are continuing this arguement, therefore PLEASE STOP POSTING ANYTHING TO THIS THREAD *NOW*. That includes jokes that simply annoy me and leave this thread higher up in peoples converstation lists for longer. SO STOP

Tango