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Ive just re-read the house rules and cant find anything we could be breaking, maybe Im reading them wrong?!
The only thing I found that we could be fuzzy on is the We Hate Kennedy club, but she's a fictional character!

My email addy wouldnt be accepted and therefore it goes to my friend, can someone please explain or send the email to:
[email protected]

Im not being deliberately arguementative but other places Ive seen have similar things to my personal space and they've not been moderated.
If I knew what it was that broke the rules, Id remove it but I dont!

Please help????

Willow

I'm afraid moderation questions like this aren't answered onsite and you will have to get your friend to forward you the moderation email.

In desperate need you could change the account email to one you can pick up and then see if they can resend the moderation email but I'm not sure if that's possible.

Mel

Ok thanks. He's said the email hasnt been sent yet but Ive just changed the email addy anyway!

The only thing I can think of is the pictures we put on yesterday so Ive taken them off!
Is it always another researcher who suggests we should have something moderated or will the moderators pick up on it themselves.

Sorry, just a bit about it!

Despite how it looks from me at the moment, we are all really quite nice and didnt mean to break the rules in any way, shape or form!

Thanks for the help anyway!

Will

As far as I know the yikes button has to be pressed unless you are on premod (Where everything you post gets sent to the moderators first). Though anyone can press the yikes button so it could have been anyone.

What pictures did you have on there? If they were blobs they shouldn't have caused a problem, if they weren't blobs and were not part of the BBC lot I'd be very interested to know how you got them on site

It is annoying when a page gets pulled down, especially if it happens after the mods have gone home since it means it will take a while for the email to come through. Just be thankfull it isn't the weekend!

Mel

Could you have a look at my page as it was... Ive just removed the pictures we put on yesterday and this is how it used to look.... if its something other than the photos then Im stumped!

I know its not usually what you do online but a 'yes it will; or 'no it wont is all im looking for?

Please???? U516181

Cheers,
Will

They were piccies from the Buffy dreamdate gallery. Some woman gave us codes. But they were'nt blobs.

Does that mean then that everywhere we put these pics will be moderated?

These were the type of pictures we had.

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There isn't anything else obviously defamatory or vulgar.

The Kenedy link shouldn't have done it else whoever yikesed it would have yikesed the club too.

The only thing thing that springs to mind is that someone saw the pictures and decided that they weren't blobs and were therefore offsite images and should be yikesed.

Whether they are against policy depends on what is termed as 'the site' if it's all the BBC (as in the T&Cs) then they wont be a problem, if it's only h2g2(unlikely) then that will be the reason. I've had a quick look in the house rules but can only find the term 'off site' which doesn't really help

You will really have to wait for the email on this one I think

I'm afraid I'm going home now so I wont be able to help anymore until tomorrow morning. Though if you do need help then post and a Guru who's around this evening might come to your rescue and be more helpful than I have managed to be

Sorry I can't do anything more

Mel

Is this what is at the bottom of Xander's complaints?

I would observe, in passing, that just because the BBC displays a picture it doesn't mean it owns the copyright. Perhaps the BBC has paid for permission to display the Buffy pictures on their Buffy pages but the contract doesn't cover other pages. Only a theory.

Amy

Ok thanks alot Mel, you've been great!!

Amy, hi!
Same issue as Xander's, the pictures are the only things we could think of, however, they have been used in The Willow Appreciation Society and thats not been yikesed!

To be perfectly blunt, Im past caring at the moment. Guess I'll just have to wait until the email comes thru before I know for sure.
I was speaking to Xander tonight and we know there are people on here who DO NOT like us at all and may have yikesed us all out of spite. If this is the case and it keeps happening once the pages have been sorted, do the moderators have ways of knowing who did it and will they be able to
put a stop to it??
Just a thought....

Thanks again Amy and Mel.

Willow.

This probably explains why a decision hasn't been made yet. As Amy says, just because a picture is on another part of the BBC, it doesn't mean that it's free for use on other places.

If you've got lots of pictures then they might have to be checking each one out individually.

Would it be worth making a note somewhere which BBC pics we can't use, ie everytime someone gets fully moderated for a pic we note it on a 'don't use these BBC pics' page. That way people can have a quick look there before they put up pictures to see if they are a known cause of moderation.

Another way, which I wouldn't suggest was back implemented, would be to have pictures across the BBC named with 'copyrite' in the title if they are only valid for that site, or 'BBC' if they are freely usable across all of BBCi. That way the mods could easily tell which images are allowed just from the filename. Though as this would require participation from all of the BBC I doubt it's going to happen just for us

Either that or ban all non-DNA pics on site, though that does seem a little extreme

Mel

The trouble with that is that the pictures would have to be displayed, but if they can't be displayed because of copyright problems, then how can they be displayed? You see the problem here?

That's why I said a list, just give the file names.

Mel

Ok so I said note not list.... but it means the same thing!

Mel

Surely though, if they pictures themselves were not meant to be used by anyone except the BBC, then they wouldn't have generated codes for them?!

This could be a long standing debate! One for which I may have an answer for if and when the moderators decide to send the email telling me where I made my bodge-up.

Oh well, these things are sent to try us!

Will

What do you mean generated codes for them?

The pictures have to have a file name and must be stored somewhere on the BBCi servers for them to be displayed on the BBCi site.

From that they are then embedded in h2g2 sites in the same way you can put in any of the other images found throughout DNA and the BBCi by using the direct address to link to them.

Mel

Hello Black-eyed girl,

Sorry to be a bit late on this one. As Mel says, we can't discuss moderation decisions on site and if you are not sure why a page has been removed then the moderation email you receive will provide an explanation.

However, I can say that Mel's advice is spot-on - copyright for images is generally given to specific sites and not BBCi as a whole, and so we only allow people to use h2g2 images in their pages.

h2g2 Support

I think it was Amy who brought up the issue of copyrite not being BBCi wide, I just with it!

Could the house rules be made a little clearer to state that the site applies to h2g2 (or DNA if that is the case) so that this is less likely to happen again. Or was I just being and missed the definition?

Mel

>>Surely though, if they pictures themselves were not meant to be used by anyone except the BBC, then they wouldn't have generated codes for them?!<<


That's the point, unfortunately, the BBC didn't generate the codes. Thos codes were generated by someone else to effectively 'steal' the photos from the Cult site. What that unfortunately means is that it'll be you who gets moderated for it. If you remove all uses of that code from your pages, they will no longer fail the copyright rules.