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Post 101

Tonsil Revenge (PG)

Oh, My!
"A special flag"?


Bön

Post 102

chaiwallah

Kinda sick, isn't it. But there's more to come.

Here's the most recent report on what happened to a group of 18 Tibetans who were forcibly repatriated by Nepali police. ( Two items are particularly weird, one the fact that PRC ex-President Jiang Zemin and Prime Minister Wen Jiabao gave Pali police staion, on the Nepalese border, a special award for this incident. The other is the fact that the most brutal torturer of Tibetans in Shigatse prison seems to be a Tibetan guard, Phuntsok.)

Link: http://www.savetibet.org/News/News.cfm?ID=2273&c=7

Brutal Treatment Reportedly Awaits Repatriated Tibetans (ICT)
January 23, 2004

Katmandu - More details have emerged about the torture and maltreatment
of 18 Tibetans who were forcibly repatriated by Nepal to Chinese
authorities in May 2003. Former inmates from the prison cells in
Shigatse, Tibetan Autonomous Region (TAR), have recounted incidents
where the 18 deportees were shocked with electric batons, repeatedly
kicked in the genitals and forced to stand naked outside for four to
five hours at a time, three to four times a week.

One former inmate recalled prison guards beating members of the group of
18 Tibetans while yelling, "Think about why you tried to go and see the
Dalai Lama."
Another former inmate in the same prison told the International Campaign
for Tibet (ICT), "When they put the electric cattle prod in my mouth,
you could feel it through your entire body and you faint from the pain."

As of mid-October, two of the 18 Tibetans deported were still in prison,
according to former prisoners who were in the Shigatse Prison. Dorje,
one of the remaining 18 deportees, was in poor health and deteriorating
at the time of their release, according to former prisoners. Dorje is
reportedly from Litang in Kandze Autonomous Prefecture in Sichuan
Province.

ICT has learned that 16 of the 18 deportees were only released after
relatives or friends bribed local authorities, in addition to paying a
1,800 yuan fine (approximately US$220). The bribes are estimated to have
been between US$400-620, according to ICT sources in Shigatse.

The entire group of 18 deportees was believed to have been taken to a
prison in Shigatse after spending 11 days in a prison in Nyalam at the
Tibet-Nepal border in the first part of April 2003. However, ICT has
learned that four males from the group spent just over a month
quarantined in Nyalam Prison, as Chinese officials reportedly believed
they were carrying the SARS virus.

Immediately after the deportation on May 31, 2003, Chinese officials
segregated the four Tibetans suspected of carrying SARS and held them in
solitary cells. A western human rights monitor who witnessed the May
deportations from the Nepal side of the border told ICT that there were
at least a dozen personnel in white masks and gowns just over the
Friendship Bridge waiting for the group. A Tibetan source in Shigatse
told ICT, "The four who they thought had SARS weren't treated as badly
as the others because the guards did not want to touch them."

No reports have surfaced as to whether or not the inmates had the virus,
leading to suspicions that Chinese authorities used SARS as an excuse
for increasing the detention length of certain prisoners.

The 14 Tibetans that were not quarantined received extensive beatings
and torture while held at Nyalam, former prisoners from Nyalam reported
to ICT. The deportees were reportedly beaten badly and tortured with
electric batons. Former prisoners also reported that some of the 18
deported refugees were subjected to torture methods that included having
sewing needles inserted in between their finger nails and flesh, which
in one case was reportedly done to revive one of the 18 who was
unconscious.

The torture did not stop once the deportees were moved from Nyalam to
prison in Shigatse. Reports have reached ICT from former inmates of the
Shigatse prison that described in detail the various kinds of torture
used there. These include beatings with electric batons and rubber
tubing, extensive beatings and repeated kicking of males in the
testicles, and long periods of time standing naked out of doors.

A Tibetan who spent time in the Shigatse prisons last year after being
caught while trying to flee Tibet told ICT, "The cruelest person in
prison is a Tibetan they call Phuntsok. He would beat us without any
reason whatsoever and I was told that he killed a prisoner a few years
back."

Former prisoners have told ICT that Chinese are more likely to be
present during interrogation sessions but those carrying out the torture
are more often ethnic Tibetans. The identities of Tibetan prison guards
regarded as particularly sadistic are known in Tibetan communities but
reprisals against them are apparently rare.

After spending a month in Nyalam prison, the four Tibetans suspected of
SARS infections joined the rest of the group in a prison in Shigatse.
The prison where they were taken, officially named "Tibet's New
Reception Center," holds Tibetans caught attempting to flee into exile
as well as Tibetans who are returning to Tibet after going to school or
visiting family in Nepal and India. ICT released information concerning
this new prison in December 2003
(http://www.savetibet.org/News/News.cfm?ID=2222&c=7) . Photos of the new
prison are available from ICT.

According to former inmates, there were approximately 300 prisoners in
detention at the new Shigatse prison in June 2003 and in November there
were an estimated 450 to 500. Nearly all of the prisoners are Tibetans
who have been caught at the Nangpa pass or near the Friendship Bridge
border crossing near Dram, the main commercial border crossing into
Nepal from Tibet.

On December 28, 2003, China's official Xinhua news agency reported that
China's highest executive authorities, Prime Minister Wen Jiabao, head
of the State Council, and Jiang Zemin, chairman of the Central Military
Commission, conferred an honorary title of 'Model Frontier Police
Substation' on the Pali Border Police Substation under the Shigatse
Detachment of the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) Public Security and
Border Defense Corps. The story mentions specifically that the title was
given because of the border guards "safeguarding [of] the motherland's
unification and peace in the border areas." (more from Tibetan
Information Network at
http://www.tibetinfo.net/news-updates/2004/0201.htm )

"Why do China's top leaders praise those responsible for the torture of
Tibetans seeking a safe haven," said John Ackerly, President of ICT,
"when instead they should be ordering a judicial inquiry of this pattern
of brutal torture?"

Background information

Approximately 2,500 Tibetan refugees escape into exile annually,
traveling through Nepal en route to India. Human rights organizations
and the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) often only learn of
arrests by Chinese border patrols, or of deportations of Tibetan
refugees by Nepalese officials, when refugees make a successful
re-attempt at escape.

The May 2003 deportation of 18 Tibetans
(http://www.savetibet.org/News/News.cfm?ID=1778&c=7) from Katmandu to
Chinese authorities in Tibet drew international headlines and
condemnation of the Nepalese government by the UNHCR and numerous
Western governments. Due to the increasing pressure, Nepal agreed in
August not to repatriate Tibetans in the future
(http://www.savetibet.org/News/News.cfm?ID=1960&c=7) .

Refugees who are caught coming back from India or Nepal are reportedly
treated much more harshly and receive longer sentences than those who
are caught trying to leave Tibet, according to former inmates. Tibetans
who have served sentences in the New Reception Center or at Nyari prison
in Shigatse report that most individuals caught at the border serve a
prison sentence of three to five months, receive beatings and torture
regularly (most commonly being hit with an electric baton), and must
perform hard labor, usually road building in and around Shigatse.

---------------------------------------------
International Campaign for Tibet
www.savetibet.org


Bön

Post 103

Tonsil Revenge (PG)

And these are all men?


Bön

Post 104

John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!"


14 m, 4 F; 8 of them aged between 14 and 18


Bön

Post 105

Tonsil Revenge (PG)

Oh, My squared!

Children they treat like this!

And what is proposed that should be done about getting the Chinese and the Nepalese to behave if many of the Tibetans themselves are toeing the party line?

What does the Dalai Lama want his people to do?


Bön

Post 106

John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!"

This is a pretty thorough report on the way Tibetan children are treated:

http://www.tibetjustice.org/reports/children/index.html

I think the Tibetan line toe-ing should be thought of in the same light as the collaboration in Europe under Nazi occupation: There are those who choose to profit at the expense of their fellows and at the cost of thier own integrity, but they would all prefer to prosper in a free country.

As for the international community: governments in the West are increasingly responding to grassroots pressure to do the right thing. Unfortunately, this is often seen to be in competition with trade interests.

The Dalai Lama recently said, 'Our ultimate goal is to make Tibet a special zone of Ahimsa or non-violence'. I think his greatest concern is that the Tibetans lose their own cultural identity in the process of resisting the Chinese and that the independence struggle might become an armed conflict.


Bön

Post 107

Tonsil Revenge (PG)

Tibet has no history of conflict?

They will most certainly lose their cultural identity under the Chinese.


Bön

Post 108

John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!"

Sure, but the character of the Tibetan freedom struggle has been non-violent, since the collapse of the organised armed resistance in Mustang, which Chai described. In contrast to freedom struggles in other parts of the world, the champions of freedom in Tibet, for the most part, have been unarmed people engaged in non-violent protest. Prisons are full of monks and nuns in Tibet, not would-be commandos.

It's a numbers game. The danger is that, with increased population transfer of Han 'settlers' into Tibet, Tibetans will become an increasingly insignificant minority in their own land.

On the other hand, indigenous peoples in other parts of the world have shown a remarkable resilience, given the chance, and have managed to preserve some portion of their own cultures despite the best efforts of Europeans to erase them. Tibetans do have the advantage in that they are uniquely suited to thrive at such high altitude.

Now, if the'd been invaded by Incas, it would be a different story. smiley - winkeye


Bön

Post 109

Tonsil Revenge (PG)

Gotcha.


Bon

Post 110

yasser100

where i can read the book?smiley - smiley


Bon

Post 111

John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!"

Which book? smiley - erm


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