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SEx: Candles, magnets and electricity
kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website Started conversation Jul 14, 2008
Is this for real? And if so, how/why does that work?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DsG-0lU6FbY
Sorry, for those on slow internet, it's a demo of running a small light or dc motor using two candles, two nails, two leads, and a magnet.
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IctoanAWEWawi Posted Jul 14, 2008
no, it isn't. The magnetising bit is carp - that wouldn't work as the nails would not be magnetised by that action.
Also note the hand under the table and that the light shines and the motor spins. And when they turn off. And the light turns off after the first candle is blown out.
And, not inconsequentially, the fact he's claiming that lighting a candle can induce an electrical current!!! Not only that, but lighting the left candle induces one electrical potential and lighting the other induces the opposite electrical potential without any change in materials or techniques. Come on....
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BouncyBitInTheMiddle Posted Jul 14, 2008
Probably just a magic trick, but if you're curious then why not try it out?
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kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website Posted Jul 15, 2008
I couldn't see any way that it could work, but then I'm not a scientist
If it's a trick how does he make the motor go even when he keeps all the circuit visible?
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Orcus Posted Jul 15, 2008
The nails must go all the way through the candles and are hooked onto a real electric circuit of some kind through wires hidden by the candles.
You can just about see that he's flickeing a switch underneath the table just under the right hand candle.
Besides, rubbing a magnet on nails like that is going to do just about naff all to the nails.
Iron is not a permanent magnet, you can only magentise it by putting continous current through it.
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Arnie Appleaide - Inspector General of the Defenders of Freedom Posted Jul 15, 2008
Iron isn't a permanent magnet?
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Orcus Posted Jul 15, 2008
Hmmm, yes it just might be in fact. But nevertheless, rubbing a magnet against a nail like that is going to have about as much effect at magnetising it permanently as any of us are likely to have in attempting to pull a 50 wagon train with our teeth.
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Orcus Posted Jul 15, 2008
...or at least giving it enough energy to drive a motor or light a bulb that brightly.
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Thatprat - With a new head/wall interface mechanism Posted Jul 15, 2008
Orcus : Post 7
"But nevertheless, rubbing a magnet against a nail like that is going to have about as much effect at magnetising it permanently as any of us are likely to have in attempting to pull a 50 wagon train with our teeth."
I can pull a train that long with my teeth. The only real problem I have in doing it is lining up that many wagons without some kid running off with a couple of the middle ones.
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Arnie Appleaide - Inspector General of the Defenders of Freedom Posted Jul 16, 2008
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Slugzzz Posted Jul 31, 2008
This has to be a hoax. Even if you could somehow induce an electrical current with a candle, there is no way that the electrons can flow if the circuit is not complete. Hoax.
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Malabarista - now with added pony Posted Jul 31, 2008
And burning the wicks at the top won't do anything to heat the nails below, if that's the supposed purpose...
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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Aug 1, 2008
I was wondering whether lighting the candles could cause the air to ionise around the candles, thus completing the circuit
Also, I agree that attempting to magnetise the nails using 'that action' is not ideal, it may well work. (Normally, one uses one pole of a magnet to stroke along the nail in one direction, lifting the magnet clear after each stroke nd returning to the start point to repeat the action. In this way the magnetic domains are persuaded to line up.
But I'd have thought that the amount of current that could be induced to flow by either of the deficiencies above would be too low to light a bulb or run a motor.
Ref the iron not being a permanent magnet, an iron nail or a steel paperclip that has been magnetised in some way can retain its magnetism for a considerable time. This is the case even if you make it into an electromagnet by placing it inside a coil of wire.
This is sufficiently intriguing for me to want to try it out Hope it's not April 1st
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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Aug 1, 2008
I looked again at this, quite carefully and I agree with the obs. mentioned above about the hand reaching under the table. Also, the candle didn't light properly the first time around and yet the bulb shone brightly - even with the candle extinguished momentarily. Also, when the candle flickered back into life, there was no correlation between the brightness of the bulb and that of the candle. HOAX!
(But I'm still tempted to try it. GULLIBUUULLL!)
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Taff Agent of kaos Posted Aug 1, 2008
spoiler
how to do it
put 2 contacts (nails) through the desk, under the candles and conect to power supply and switch
insert a conductor(metal spike) into base of candle
insert nails in candle to contact conductor, place candles down so as to compleate cuircit with the contacts
light the candles and flip the switch
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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Aug 1, 2008
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Slugzzz Posted Aug 2, 2008
"I was wondering whether lighting the candles could cause the air to ionise around the candles, thus completing the circuit?"
No, it takes an electric field of tens of thousands of volts per inch to actually strip atoms of their electrons and ionize the air i.e. a lightning bolt or vandegraff generator.
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kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website Posted May 12, 2010
How about this one. A battery made from wood ash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h1tQn4Qyjc
Is that for real?
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Mu Beta Posted May 12, 2010
That one is definitely for real. A simple alkaline cell battery. All the chemistry at the beginning is genuine and workable.
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SEx: Candles, magnets and electricity
- 1: kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website (Jul 14, 2008)
- 2: IctoanAWEWawi (Jul 14, 2008)
- 3: BouncyBitInTheMiddle (Jul 14, 2008)
- 4: kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website (Jul 15, 2008)
- 5: Orcus (Jul 15, 2008)
- 6: Arnie Appleaide - Inspector General of the Defenders of Freedom (Jul 15, 2008)
- 7: Orcus (Jul 15, 2008)
- 8: Orcus (Jul 15, 2008)
- 9: Thatprat - With a new head/wall interface mechanism (Jul 15, 2008)
- 10: Arnie Appleaide - Inspector General of the Defenders of Freedom (Jul 16, 2008)
- 11: Malabarista - now with added pony (Jul 25, 2008)
- 12: Slugzzz (Jul 31, 2008)
- 13: Malabarista - now with added pony (Jul 31, 2008)
- 14: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Aug 1, 2008)
- 15: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Aug 1, 2008)
- 16: Taff Agent of kaos (Aug 1, 2008)
- 17: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Aug 1, 2008)
- 18: Slugzzz (Aug 2, 2008)
- 19: kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website (May 12, 2010)
- 20: Mu Beta (May 12, 2010)
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