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Peer Review: A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] Started conversation Dec 26, 2003
Entry: Liver Disease for the Layperson - A2132317
Author: leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] - U534308
amended heavily - much more comprehensive now
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
Old Hairy Posted Dec 26, 2003
Hello Leo. Seasons greetings to you.
Just gave this a read through, and it looks good to me. Please note that I am totally unqualified to check for technical accuracy, I'm just your average reader here.
A couple of small points might be improved though.
There is a typo in the very first heading. Is 'or' meant to be 'all' or 'our'? I am unsure, but 'or' looks wrong.
The shape of the liver being the same as the cavity it is in does not tell us much. Is it like a short banana, or a bent broad bean, or something like that. Could we have some approximate dimensions, or are they too variable to be meaningful?
This looks very similar to another entry which you had in peer review recently. Is this a replacemnt entry, or a simpler version. This does not need to be stated in the entry itself, but perhaps needs clarifying for the reviewers.
Hope you had a good christmas
OH.
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] Posted Dec 27, 2003
this is a replacement entry
it is meant to be "or" - an alternative title
the dimensions are very variable - the right lobe hangs down more than the left, but the shape is quite difficult to describe
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] Posted Dec 27, 2003
and, Merry Xmas OH
leo
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
McKay The Disorganised Posted Jan 1, 2004
I'm also non-medical, but it looks good to me.
I thought the skin was the largest organ in the body ?
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
Old Hairy Posted Jan 1, 2004
... of the body, maybe. IN the body, that is debatable, as it is the outer surface - in strictly non-medical language.
OH - happy new year.
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] Posted Jan 1, 2004
skin isn't an organ
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
Old Hairy Posted Jan 1, 2004
umm ... what is an organ? is there a technical definition?
I had thought it was just a body part with a particular function, like the skins function to keep in the me bits, and keep out the rest, especially filth and toxins.
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] Posted Jan 1, 2004
well since that particular statistic is from Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine i am definete
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] Posted Jan 2, 2004
one definition:
a differentiated structure (as a heart or kidney) consisting of cells and tissues and performing some specific function in an organism
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
Old Hairy Posted Jan 3, 2004
Just re-read the entry. Still doubtful about the shape being the same as the cavity it fills. All shapes seem to fit that bill. The intestines are very long, but folded up, so that the resulting shape is the same as the cavity they are in. Would some aprroximate dimensions help? Or perhaps just that the liver is a solid mass, rather than an extreme shape like the intestine, or for that matter the veins.
All else seems OK, but my medical knowledge is limited to that of layperson.
By the way, isn't skin a mass of differentiated cells?
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] Posted Jan 3, 2004
the shape thing isn't true for say the intestines - they have a very specific way they are attached and fold up. the spleen is formed from spenunculi causing the characteristic notched border. the kidneys have a specific architecture of pyramids. the liver is organised on a microscopic scale around the portal triad. the lobes of the liver have significance for surgical resection only but functionally they are all the same. i could go into masses of detail believe me but i'd lose 99.999% of the readers
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] Posted Jan 3, 2004
skin is epithelial cells - not very specialised or differentiated
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
pugwash Posted Feb 14, 2004
I'm quite happy with it at the moment - no plans for any changes at the present
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
Old Hairy Posted Feb 14, 2004
Is pugwash another name for leo, and if not, what did the last posting mean?
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
pugwash Posted Feb 15, 2004
I'm now pugwash - not sure why but had to re-register - has this happened to anyone else?
A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
Teasswill Posted Feb 15, 2004
A very interesting read. Just a couple of thoughts:
The diseased liver - last sentence sounds a little odd. I would turn it around e.g. The only treatment currently available is......
Diagnosis - Is liver disease not usually first detected from the patient's symptoms (detailed in the preceding paragraph) & then diagnosis established through the tests?
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Peer Review: A2132317 - Liver Disease for the Layperson
- 1: leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] (Dec 26, 2003)
- 2: Old Hairy (Dec 26, 2003)
- 3: leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] (Dec 27, 2003)
- 4: leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] (Dec 27, 2003)
- 5: McKay The Disorganised (Jan 1, 2004)
- 6: Old Hairy (Jan 1, 2004)
- 7: leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] (Jan 1, 2004)
- 8: Old Hairy (Jan 1, 2004)
- 9: Mort - a middle aged Girl Interrupted (Jan 1, 2004)
- 10: leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] (Jan 1, 2004)
- 11: McKay The Disorganised (Jan 1, 2004)
- 12: leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] (Jan 2, 2004)
- 13: Old Hairy (Jan 3, 2004)
- 14: leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] (Jan 3, 2004)
- 15: leo mckern [space for random exotic word juxtaposition generator] (Jan 3, 2004)
- 16: Cyzaki (Feb 14, 2004)
- 17: pugwash (Feb 14, 2004)
- 18: Old Hairy (Feb 14, 2004)
- 19: pugwash (Feb 15, 2004)
- 20: Teasswill (Feb 15, 2004)
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