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It should at least visible to moderators who yikesed a post.

To be fair that idea went down like a lead balloon..

Hi Ben,

>>If you were being a phantom-yikeser, then could we arrange it so the more you yikes, the longer it takes for a post to disappear?<<

The danger of that is if someone is spamming the site with pornographic links (which has been done in the past), or is being totally nasty in some other way, then the postings will remain online far too long.

Best to yikes and then sort it out later, me thinks


lil xx

>> The danger of that is if someone is spamming the site with pornographic links (which has been done in the past), or is being totally nasty in some other way, then the postings will remain online far too long.

Good point. Very good point.



It's hard, isn't it?

It certainly is, especially if you have a child/young person giving out snippets of information about themselves. This is called jigsawing, and I've even had to yikes the children of some of my friends because they have given out sufficient information for someone to locate their school. This is all part of ACEing, and would certainly be something a Guardian Angel would watch over.

I once had to notify the Eds when a teacher in America encouraged her class to use h2g2, by jigsawing I found out the names, ages and which class they all attending and was able to give the Eds a link to the school I had found online. The Eds contacted the teacher immediately.

lil x

>Way back, I suggested that a hidden post showed specific data about itself so:


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I'm all for this. My biggest problem with yikes are when you are having an interesting discussion and its completely messed up by a yikes. IMO it's about whether you care more about the train of discussion or some technicality against House Rules. If you're someone who cares more about the latter that should be made clear to everyone.

And if it keeps on being the same person(s), everyone will know.

I'm not 100% sure. I think the moderator should see the name of the yikeser, but if everyone sees it I hope that this won't lead to attacks on the yikeser if the person who's post was yiksed gets angry. This could even happen if the yikeser is absolutely right about yikesing the post.

Yes but it's about seeing patterns. I think if you care enough to actually yikes..you shouldn't worry about people knowing you've done it.

I've seen so many excellent discussion threads here utterly ruined by yiksers.

You say absolutely right about yikesing a post. I tend to be more interested in the spirit of the law, than the letter..especially if an interesting discussion is happening. I've no time for silly pedantic yikesers...and you get to know if someone is behaving like that and just ruining stuff for everyone else.

Yes, I absolutely agree with you on that. I'm just not 100% sure.
Of course you can yikes again if the yiksed person gets angry and insults you because yiksed him/her earlier.

I've probably yikesed maybe once or possibly twice in however may years I've been here.

I would only yikes if some company was spamming us, or something porographic was spammed, or if someone jumped on a Newby/youngster with a personal attack.

Otherwise I prefer to discuss stuff. If someone gets angry and insults me..others can draw their own conclusions about the person. We're not babies.

I'm very anti yikes..so maybe that's why I'm taking this stance.

It might not be best for the community as a whole - agreed. But whatever is decided we can always change it later to a different system. That's the good thing if we win the bid.

Ok, yes, you're right about that.

I think I also only ever yiksed once or twice in 6 years.

>>I can't see what advantage there would be. If a yieks is justified, it doesn't matter who yikesed, and it it's not justified the post will be back, no matter who yikesed it.

What is wrong with the current system? Where a post is pulled *once* a moderator has seen it, not before?

I wonder how many people here arguing for immediate removal have had many posts pulled? Pulling a post *does* disrupt a conversation. If there are not enough mods on on any given day it could be ages for a post to reappear. If we do have enough mods on, then they can make a decision fairly quickly. If a post is a real problem (unlike my one pulled in this thread ) then 3 researchers yikesing it would be enough for it to disappear immediately.

Also, and this makes me wonder how many people have experience of posts being removed, moderation is rarely black and white. If I get some time later I'll give some examples of posts I've had pulled that were ambiguous.

>>kea, what was in your yikesed post? ie number 24

Haven't had an email Lanza, but I think it was one where I said that the [word removed] entry is not an example of racial abuse because it looks at the word in context. I then gave another example which I will put in the following post to see if it's the yikesable bit (the way things have been going lately it wouldn't surprise me if the word [word removed] was enough to get a post pulled).

Good grief

Someone, around post 24, linked to this entry: A53569506

That post has been hidden and referred. My post in response to it has been hidden.

In earlier days, it got to a point that my posts would just be pulled and no e-mails followed any more. That was a circumstance of the multi-strikes, so many that eventually the Italic decided it wasn't worth following up the quantity. In my latest 'incarnation', again posts were being stricken left and right, but ALL came back without e-mails in any direction. I think in that circumstance, awareness of patterns made a difference. Of course, that is just my opinion

In the end, while I might offer services in some voluntary capacity later, moderator is certainly NOT one that I would want ...

The second part of my post gave an example of how a word can be fine to use in one context and not in another. I could write an entry on the etymology of a word that is not allowed to be said on this site and possibly I'm not even allowed to refer to it by it's first but lets see if I can refer to it as a word that is used to talk about women's genitals.

I then pointed out that one could use that same word as a term of abuse (and gave a reference to the Quadruple Professor Adonis Sirname I can't say because it looks too much like another word I'm not allowed to say, but I was only using his name because I can't say the actual word).

Anyhoo... point was that words are contextual, and moderation needs to be able to take that into account.

I think the name of the person doing the yikesing needs to be visible to admin (mods, CEs), but not to the community. Otherwise you will only get people yikesing posts that feel confident enough to do so. I'm a pretty confident person but I know I've yikesed posts in the past that I would have found harder if my name had been visible to the community. One was a post of Hoo's, and it was the right thing for it to be pulled (it was overtly abusive, not just in Hoo's hyped up intellectual running roughshod over people's feelings kind of way). At the time I didn't feel completely safe that there wouldn't be a consequence to me if it had been visible that I'd yikesed it.

>I didn't feel completely safe that there wouldn't be a consequence to me if it had been visible that I'd yikesed it.<

What on earth do you mean?

kea you have to explain that because how could the consequence for you be so bad?

Yikesing a troll, having my name visible, could lead to be harrassed by that troll (that's not a reference to the example I have before about Hoo).

Safety in a community is an interesting thing and not something that gets talked about alot.


I think one of the core importances of reactive moderation is that everyone has to feel safe and comfortable to yikes a post. We are relying on the community to pull unnacceptable posts, not just for the general wellbeing of the site, but also to protect it legally.

In my first week on hootoo there was a regular researcher here who was posting some fairly dodgy posts of a sexual nature. Apparently nothing worse than some of the fun or lewd posts that are common now, but there was something off about this guy. Eventually he posted something in a thread about sex with animals and children. Because I was new, but had read here for a while, I knew that yikesing was frowned upon by some, and I was unsure what to do because there were all these other researchers in the thread much older than me and no-one else yikesed it. Eventually I asked somewhere else and I think it was Mina who said if you think it's a problem press the button. Now of course I wouldn't even think twice. But then I doubt that I would have yikesed it if meant my name would be made visible.

Yes, that's what I meant earlier. I expect many people feel like that and I also feel like that in some situations.