h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

I talked to Quincy once, he seemed nice. If what he said was real, and I personally don't see why it shouldn't be, then this is such a shame.

If he did work in the coroners office in NY, and saw what he did, and came here to get anyway, and then this happened. I reackon he has left for good now anyway. Why should he stay, when he came here to get away and was accused of this?

I don't understand how anyone thought he could be Lekz, I havn't had time to trawl and lurk through all the conversations.

But now is the time to say, that I started a new personality called Disembodied Voice, I enjoyed it late at night when the insomnia struck. I had never been anonymous before, it was fun. I shall go to the page in a moment and delete it, before that one is accused of being Lekz as well.

I never knew Lekz, I know we both suffered from child sexual abuse and I know that does really screw you up. It does make you react inappropriately at times, because you are so scared. Its such a shame that what happened did happen.

I never really got chance to get to know Quincy, I wonder how many more people will be put off remaining here because they are accused of being someone that they are not (or maybe not then).

If I ever get accused of being Lekz and asked to prove myself, then I too will leave immediately. Okay, yes I know its unlikely but I'm making a point.

Is Quincy is a geunine person, and is trying to recover from seeing what he saw on that day, and came here for fun and respite and was hounded from here, that is tragic. I hope someone may find the time to e-mail him and mention that to him.

To the italics, I obviously don't have the information that you have about this case. If what I am saying offends you then sorry. I'm just sad, I wish this stuff would stop happening.

Quincy certainly seems to share some characteristics of style with Arpeggio: American, long postings, frequent references to sexual or child abuse, extremely grammatically correct English, misuse of British colloquialisms, offering medical advice, but none of these is conclusive evidence that Quincy is Arpeggio.

He doesn't have Arpeggio's and Silent Lucidity's irritating attitude that she was super-intelligent and that no matter what you said, she could come up with an even better one.

I think Quincy should be allowed back on. If he really is Arpeggio, he will damn himself soon enough. Arpeggio showed in the past that she was unable to keep away from certain people and topics.

Kaz,

I admire your courage in posting about yourself here.

Everyone,

If either these two people, who have committed the crimes of living in the same part of the United States as LeKZ, caring about others and having opinions that they are willing to express (with or without fake French accents) are banned for the crime of "being LeKZ," which is so heinous that it carries an automatic h2g2 death penalty, I will have to do some serious thinking about whether or not I want to continue participating in this "community," where any person can be called upon to prove hir innocence (the burden of proof resting on the accused) of any charge at any time, and writing sentences this long.

NBY (not LeKZ)

What makes anyone think that Quincy would want to come back if he is proved innocent. He came here to get away from stuff, not to cope with a whole load of new stuff as well as accusations.

Barton:

You have some fairly strong opinions on the separateness of the various alters of a person with DID (dissociative identity disorder).

When you were making representations here on h2g2 on LeKZ's behalf, after she was banned, you were apparently quite happy to tell the staff that you had not been posting on behalf of a banned researcher, since in your view it was the Arpeggio personality that was banned, and you were posting on behalf of a different LeKZ personality. What might seem like a lie to more straightforward people was the strict truth as far as you were concerned.

In the circumstances, I think it would be a good idea for you to say, not just that you are satisfied that neither Quincy nor Satyagraha is LeKZ, but that you are satisfied that neither Quincy nor Satyagraha is one of the alters that make up the multiple system you know as LeKZ. Since you believe that LeKZ has 20,000+ personalities, I think that *you* could truthfully say 'Quincy is not LeKZ' while knowing that Quincy was one of LeKZ's many alters.

Azara

For the record...

I am satisfied that neither Quincy nor Satyagraha is one of the alters that make up the multiple system I know as LeKZ.

Jimi X,

I do not have permission to repeat any of the communciations I have had with Quincy. I would be happy to post the text of those communciations if I did have that permission. However, that could be considered to posting for a banned researcher. Additionally, there is nothing in those communcations that is would prove anything. I have not walked up to Quincy, shaken his hand, and smelled his after-shave. I have only been in email communication. Something which any one could have done.

My advantage is that I am very familiar with LeKZ and I have no doubt that those communications were not from them. Those who are afraid of the boogie-lekz would consider me one of their brain-washed minions and incapable of independent judgment so they don't care what I say anyway. Only they are capable of detecting the insidious presence of their arch nemesis.

Azara,

Quincy is not LeKZ. He is not an alter of LeKZ. He is an entirely different physical entity. He is not LeKZ.

What I said before about Arpeggio being banned and not LeKZ as a whole was an entirely different argument but one that has been re-opened here with the suggestion that the account should be closed for infractions of the rules that merit banning rather than attempting to the impossible task of banning an individual. That's well and good but it has no bearing on what is said here.

I understand that you are asking, am I telling some partial truth as you took me to have been shaving logic in the past. The answer is, no I am not.

Barton

So the style of the postings convinced you that LeKZ and Quincy were different individuals inhabiting different bodies.

OK.

Thanks.

I have had time to think and I am very concerned about what is going on here.

Quincy was seeking solace from his problems here, instead he is confronted with more problems.

I know some people think of this as just another site, but for some of us it is a lot more than that. I have found this site very useful just recently, in coming to terms with the medical problems I have, as a result of the child sexual abuse I suffered. Sometimes I am too scared to go outdoors, but I can still talk to sympathetic people here, which has been a great help. I thank all of those who have helped me and the fact that this site exists at all, I am thankful for.

I think that people should be aware that people need places like this to talk to. If they are thrown off, in an hour of need then you maybe doing them untold damage. If they deserve it because they have broken the sites rules then fine. But, if they have not broken any rules at all then its not fine.

So, Quincy flamed someone, he then looked into it and apologised. Most of us get exicitable on here about things we care about. So, he gave medical advice, I've done that loads of times and also asked for advice, and yet I have never been told that is against the rules.

I believe you have no evidence against Quincy.

I have done both of the things he has been thrown off for.

Why are some people persecuted for things that other people are not persecuted for?

*sigh*
I see the point about the burden of proof lying(sp?) with the accusee. But I personally would be very very very uncomfortable with giving my personal details to the editors if they were putting me on the defensive. I had problems giving my details to the editors when they were being nice, even though it's the law that they can't share them with anyone (although the discomfort was partly because I think I have a silly name).

I think it's entirely justifiable that Quincy isn't giving any evidence for himself. It would take quite a trusting person to give their details to the bosses of a webite they'd been at for a few weeks and who were being, if not aggressive, then not at their most friendly.

This posting proves nothing.
QED
Dastardly

I've had a good look at the postings Quincy made and would like to say...

1) Quincy made a huge assumtion about Loonytunes which he quickly retracted once he knew more detail. Any easy mistake to make. My question here is ... Is it Loonytunes that is complaining about the flaming comments? Judging by his reply probably not.

2) Quincy's comments about the medical stuff were just that. The were comments and observations and did not suggest specific courses of action or name specific drugs. I wouldn't call this medical advice and besides, many people outside of H2G2 (including commercials) tell me to take stuff like "cold symptom relief powders" which in reality prolong illness by messing with the bodies self defence mechanisms. Nobody bats an eyelid at medical advice of this sort.

So this leaves only one thing that Quincy can be hauled up on. That is simply that he sounds like another researcher, LeKZ who got banned.

I really don't think that you can ban someone from a community like this just because you don't like them. That just wouldn't be cricket would it and I thought that the BBC were upholders of good British values and traditions.

My vote: Don't ban Quincy. Probably a bit late now don't you think?

I've talked to Quincy a couple of times. He seemed intelligent and polite. He was also going to contribute a very interesting entry to a University Project that I am involved in. Probably not anymore though eh?

Let's give him a warning and state that they've used up one chance, but that h2g2 wont be so forgiving in the future. This doesn't seem to warrant a life ban at all.

To sum up, give him/her a chance and they will probably end up improving the content of the guide.

Then again, if the italics have already decided it's LekZ or whoever, then is this just a show trial???



Ste

I didn't much like what Loony wrote in the Condolences thread but, because I have met him before, didn't take it the same way that Quincy did. As I have said before on the subject of 'flames' - if you all think what Quincy is so bad just come along to my place of employment and listen to what the students in my school routinely say to the teachers every day and THEN go back and judge what Quincy said. On the subject of medical advice - as another person said there is LOTS of medical advice here on h2g2 but nobody has ever been warned or suspended for posting that sort of material before have they?

end of topic drift

The question is not about whether it was a flame war or not but is Quincy yet another personality of LeKZ? I do not think so and until I see some definite proof to the contrary I do NOT support the banning of Quincy.

Finally, why does the community seem to want to keep dragging up all this old business? Guilty consciense about past actions maybe?

I have no experience of LeKz so nothing to compare with. Quincy has come across to me as genuine.

I can of course be conned.

I will continue to take Q as genuine at present.

In the UK there is the general medical council which will give details of each British medical doctor.

Is there not something similar in the US? It may be state based if I understand right. Would a check on that be possible for h2g2 support who have more details of exact source of Quincy's posts than we do? Can Quincy produce character witnesses from non h2g2 sources? It should not be difficult to check these. I appreciate that h2g2 support would have to spend some time and resources on this.

I am conscious that I did not myself behave very well on the condolence thread and have refrained from further postings there.

thanks ste, you asked a question that's been bothering me. the editors took a very strong position and they made some very, um, well definitive-sounding statements. are they going to listen to us? most people seem to think they shouldn't ban quincy. most people seem to think quincy's not lekz, if they know lekz. will the editors listen, or is this a foregone conclusion?

that's being paranoid, but i think it's catching !

and about asking him for proof, well alls i know is if it was me i'd say the burden of proof's on you, not me. that's the law and quincy works in the coroner's office which is law enforcement, so he'd probably be even more of a stickler about it than me. i just wouldn't send them anything cause i'd be scared what they'd do with it because i am a that way. if i didn't know people and they accused me of something, i'd go away and never come back. if i did know them it would be worse but then they wouldn't accuse me because they'd know i didn't do anything.

except i'm probably lekz. i live on the front range of colorado and i don't think that quincy should be banned or satyagraha either. also i don't think the editors have handled this as well as they could have even though i realize they're only human, so i gotta be lekz now don't i?

wfg

p.s. gnomon i didn't see quincy use any british slang at all, used right or wrong. please give examples? thank you.

"Wrong again, genius."
"that bloody woman"

Hoovooloo, you don't need to burst into flames over this matter. Yet again. Other people have been suspended for this kind of anti-social behavior. It's beginning to look prejudicial if you *don't* get suspended for this behavio(u)r.

I'm not saying this because of any agenda for or against LeKZ. People will take your words more seriously if you don't burst into flames.

Questions: would you characterise someone else stating as bald fact their inaccurate and obviously biased speculations about my motives as "antisocial"? If not, why not?

Would you characterise repeatedly waking someone up with late night telephone calls "antisocial"? If not, why not?

Would you characterise publicly implying that I have somehow deliberately "injured" someone who I am doing my level best to have nothing whatever to do with "antisocial"? If not, why not?

As flames go, I think "wrong again genius" and "that bloody woman" are extremely mild, actually. Certainly milder than what Quincy wrote back at Loonytune, and the Editors have specifically stated that he wouldn't have been suspended for that alone.

H.

It does seem that the sound of deceased equines being flagellated and slumbering canines getting awoken is a little distracting at times.

potholer,