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Oh yeah ... one more thing, I think we should have more time to discuss this. A week is too short. I'm currently in email conversation about this with Silent Lucidity as well as with LeKZ, and *I* will need a lot more time to fully make sense of what's going on. Also, I was unable to log onto h2g2 yesterday, as was also the case with many other people. I think we need at least *two* weeks to meaningfully discuss this matter.

I do not know, and have had no dealing with, the entity known as LeKZ, Arpeggio and Silent Lucidity. I also have no experience or knowledge of multiple personality disorders.

In my ignorance I can only make 2 observations / questions:-

1) An individual who logs on under a new pseudonym after being banned is circumventing said ban. This would not be allowed for most individuals.

2) Is it right for a community such as this to reinforce and encourage the divisions within an individual's mind? Would it be healthy for LeKZ et al to continue being here in their current guise?

I don't know. I'm asking. For balance I'm making the same post in the Pro-Ban thread.

GEOFF

I just want to answer Geoff's question number 2 (the first isn't actually a question):

There is nothing *wrong* with having multiple personalities. In LeKZ's case, it's simply the way they are. They get along fine... except for the case of Silent Lucidity. I still know too little about Silent Lucidity to be able to say what happened, or whether he is good for LeKZ or not ... but the other 'personalities' are all OK, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with this 'division' in their mind. I have a similar thing, and it is a nice thing to have, it's a nice way to be. It does not detract from my mental health at all ... on the contrary. I know exactly who I am, and who Valerie, Vivienne, Brigitte, Malisse, Griffin, Nathan, Kibrubh, Laotso, Luc, Yurkman, Ananke, and all the others are. No problem there whatsoever. I certainly *would* mind if people over here started complaining about it and/or ignoring some of my 'other people', or calling them Willem instead of by *their* names.

Sometimes being merely a single can be so lonely...

Ok; a quick 7summation7:

A): *I* believe that separate and distinct personalites can - for whatever reason - inhabit a single host and either know nothing or everything about each other. Each one of us has a raft of trigger and defense mechanisms, and how those mechanisms manifest is always unique and always valid (if not always successful.)

B): That said, I think it is too much to expect that the PTB can differentiate between multiples within the same body effectively enough to allow those multiples to maintain separate accounts. (This is not a disparagement, simply a (IMO) realistic observation.)

C): Given B), I suspect the PTB *did*, when banning Arpeggio, intend to ban all of LeKZ, and the setting up of an account by any of them would be - at the present time - considered a violation of the terms of suspension. Again, I don't think this most recent event will seriously be looked at in any other light.

D): That being the case, it seems to me that the "Ban/Don't Ban" discussion concerning Silent Lucidity is moot, and the results of *this* Modest Proposal remand are a foregone conclusion. (Hats off to the Editors for the 'make-up' day, regardless.)

E): Therefore, I would suggest that Lucinda's "Absolution" plan (http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A661097) be awarded the 'Silver Lining' trophy for The Best Idea to come out of this fracas. Shame the PTB haven't and won't read it, just like I didn't...

(Boy - give me a little free time on the computer, and *this* is the best I can come up with????)

-7sheesh7

I've got a couple of questions. The gist of the story so far as I get it is that LeKZ was banned under her Arpeggio persona. She's now seems to be saying, or her friends are saying, that even though she is Silent Lucidity, Silent Lucidity doesn't know that he's LeKZ. Am I right? Um, now I may be dense here, I really don't know a lot about alternate personalities, but wouldn't a quick check in his shorts sort that one out pretty quickly? Wouldn't he notice when he went for a pee standing up that it all went down his leg? I can see how you could have an alternative persona who 'felt' more manly, but surely you'd still know that in actual fact you were a woman?

Okay another question. Silent Lucidity was going round all over the place saying that he was a Management Consultant. LeKZ I believe is unemployed. How do alternate personas get their work experience? LeKZ's old page said that some of her other personas were things like General's, surgeons, doctors and Rabbis. Again, I can see how you can be someone else in your head, but being a Rabbi takes about seven years of training, you can't just 'be' one. Silent Lucidity was implying that he was going to use his Management Consultant skills to 'sort out' the site and advise everyone, but it seems really likely that has no actual experience at all. LeKz may have worked in some capacity over the years, but she isn't old enough to have had forteen or so separate careers is she? And if she's a bit unstable (it does sound like she's had a hard time of it in the past) how would she get taken on to be trained as a doctor or a surgeon? It's hard enough to get taken on as a totally sane person. I suppose it doesn't matter what we 'claim' to be on site, (I'm a brain surgeon ) but when a persona starts trying to use their 'experience' to advise, then thats not on. Isn't that what happened when LeKZ started to use her 'experience' as a psychoanalyst to *help* people. It just all went horribly wrong.

Anyway I'm interested in others' views on this. Particularly the 'shorts' question.

Hey, Con. Actually, these questions need to be answered by LeKZ themselves. I don't really have the authority to answer them *for* them. I will try and answer those I can from what I know, though.

As I understand it, as it is with me and as it is with LeKZ as well, alters have 'inside' bodies, and 'inside' lives with careers and all. So, Silent Lucidity has an inside body that is masculine. He appears to be confused between inside and outside bodies and realities ... I'll have to ask LeKZ just *how* and *when* he manifests. Maybe he only comes 'outside' for short times to type on the computer, and maybe even *then* his main sense of himself is of his 'inside' body. There are any number of ways, apart from that, how he *could* notice that he isn't who he claims to be, *if* he could notice outside reality at all, apart from the messages he sends and receives. I'm looking forwards to LeKZ explaining it ... I am also emailing Silent Lucidity and trying to find out how *he* sees things.

About LeKZ and careers ... they never practised on the 'outside' as rabbis, I'm sure ... they *did* receive very specialised training as combat medics, and other war stuff, by means not available (thank God!) to non-mind-controlled people. They don't go around claiming to be doctors or generals or other such things, though. In real life, they *have* studied, and received a degree in pastoral psychology, and they *have* worked for over a decade as counsellors to, mainly, abused and neglected teenage girls. So that is a *real* qualification that they have. I can vouch for them knowing about mental health problems. When I went into a mental health clinic a few months ago, they were in email contact with me and helped me to understand my problem. What they said, matched what my doctors said. They talked about medication, and the medication they ultimately recommended, was the same as my doctors finally gave me ... they came to that conclusion without having known the doctors have done so, too, so they obviously know their stuff.

I'm sure they will never pose as having a qualification they don't have in real life ... this Silent Lucidity for instance may have a job as a Management Consultant in his 'inside' reality, but I doubt that he'll go around trying to do that kind of work on the outside. *If* he tries to do that, then I would say LeKZ have become too unstable for anybody's good. They have been destabilised by large amounts of stress, lately, and they are behaving in a way that is not the norm for them. I'm just wishing that it stops soon, and that they can recover. I'm hoping I haven't offended them, or Silent Lucidity, by saying all of this ...

Feeling den motherish again, and felt I should step in and remind people that TPTB have said that they will feel free to ignore this thread if it strays off topic.

This is a topic on which I am remaining studiously neutral, but I do think that those who want to voice their opinions should have the best chance of having them heard.

Mikey

Thanks, Mikey ... but aren't we ontopic, in the first place, and in the second place, do you really think what we say here will make any difference anyways in TPTB's decision?

I don't know that it will make a difference, but I do think that people have posted here in good faith and should have every opportunity to have their voices heard.

And no, I don't think questions and responses about whether SL has male genitalia are relevant to whether or not he should be banned.


Mikey

"I'll have to ask LeKZ just *how* and *when* he manifests. Maybe he only comes 'outside' for short times to type on the computer, and maybe even *then* his main sense of himself is of his 'inside' body. There are any number of ways, apart from that, how he *could* notice that he isn't who he claims to be, *if* he could notice outside reality at all, apart from the messages he sends and receives. I'm looking forwards to LeKZ explaining it ... I am also emailing Silent Lucidity and trying to find out how *he* sees things".

This is very interesting, Willem.
When I saw your other post that you were in touch via email with both LeKZ and Silent Lucidity, I assumed you thought they were two different people with two different computers.

I started the other thread and quoted you before I read you reply to Con.
I will go and post there again now, correcting my mistake.

I take it you *do* think they are the same person, just different personalities?

Con, mywould you have a look at it for me please?

Should the question here be: Am I my brother`s keeper?
Since Silent Lucidity's ban is being discussed exclusively from the rather prejudicial position of 'he's LeKZ' and everyone is only talking about 'LeKZ', if you read what SL himself posted, and see any merit in it for itself, you might point out that the question is 'Ban LeKZ Again' or 'Don't Ban LeKZ Again'.
I`m sure it`s a foregone conclusion anyway as the Editors have accused him of being LeKZ, now not he, but LeKZ, who isn't allowed to be at h2g2, is under discussion, and people are saying, 'sounds like LeKZ', 'has the same interests as LeKZ', 'looks like LeKZ to me', so effectively, because LeKZ was banned, so must he be. He's LeKZ because they said so, and because they said he's LeKZ, he is, therefore, he must be banned. He did nothing wrong except to use the same computer.
It seems that this thread is just a formality, so why is it here?
Is it just an opportunity to further smear LeKZ? I don't understand that.

It's just like you said - a formality. But it's important to follow a formal procedure if you set one up - otherwise why set one up?

By Tuesday morning, the Editors will have decided one way or the other, after reading everyone's comments here. And then the matter will (hopefully) end. Which is nice.

"By Tuesday morning, the Editors will have decided one way or the other, after reading everyone's comments here."
That was going to be my next question, thank you Lucinda.

Well, it's Tuesday morning here now, so it must be Tuesday morning there too. Even if *I* believe I already know what the decision is/will be, I'd sincerely like to thank the Italics for utilizing the Modest Proposal system - formality though it may have been. Sad that (as others have pointed out) so many of these thread postings (as well as in the Lifetime Character Assassination forum) have opportunisticly seized the occassion for renewed LeKZ-bashing. Bashing that is, of course, completely safe from retaliation by the bashee. (Thank goodness for hir legions of mind-controlled zombie intellectual minions defending them and savagely destroying - in their name - all that is good and beautiful.)

Life is *such* a chair of bowlies.

7wrote7: "I'd sincerely like to thank the Italics for utilizing the Modest Proposal system - formality though it may have been."

- Hear, hear!

Thanks to everyone for contributing to this discussion; you can find the adjudication at http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A659540

Feel free to continue the discussion here.