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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Started conversation Oct 27, 2005
Entry: Wartime Use of Conkers - A6464720
Author: Bagil - Patron Saint of Left Handers. Keeper of mnemonics. Saboteur of boring and banal conversation. - U723247
Well, I had hoped to attach this to the end of SoRB's Entry on 'Conkers', but was advised that it unbalanced a 'light-hearted Entry'. Hence decided to submit it as an Entry in its own right.
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Azara Posted Oct 27, 2005
I'm glad to see that you've made this a separate entry! It's a great story, and an interesting viewpoint on World War I and the Balfour Declaration.
One thing which I think would be worth clarifying is how useful the conkers actually were compared with maize/potatoes: the Imperial War Museum description says that in 1917, only 3000 tins (sic--I assume they meant tons) of conkers were processed. At the conversion rate you mentioned for maize, that would be 360 tons of acetone--I've no idea how this compares to the figures you give in gallons/litres, but they also say that there was a stockpile of over 3000 tons at the beginnning of the war. I'm curious as to how much difference the conkers actually made.
Azara
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DrMatt Posted Oct 28, 2005
This looks really good to me. Can't comment on the chemistry, but everything makes pretty good sense.
Just one vocabulary bugbear of mine...
>>Weizmann patented his process and offered it to the British Government. However, they were disinterested...
I know I'm in the minority on this, but I think a purpose can still be served by not making 'disinterested' and 'uninterested' synonymous. Technically, disinterested means 'without a (political/financial etc) interest', that is, unbiased or impartial, whereas uninterested indicates a lack of enthusiasm. Pretending the two words have identical meanings is kind of like the way that people use imply and infer in the same way. Just gets my goat.
Rant over. Sorry. Otherwise, the Entry's great!
Matt
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Oct 28, 2005
I haven't read this, but one word jumped out at me:
disinterested --> not interested
(Disinterested means a completely different thing: it means 'impartial').
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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Oct 28, 2005
I'll get on to those changes later (disinterested/uninterested).
How comne you have the info from the IWM to hand, Azara? (I will put that info in).
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Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream Posted Oct 28, 2005
Intersting Entry BigAl
Just a couple of minor points.
>"W.V.S. centres, W.I.s"
Might be a good idea to put these in full or full in brackets/footnote and a footnote explaining "7/6 per cwt" we're not all old enough to remember what they mean.
Oh, and there's no need for the 'single quotes' when using
Emmily
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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Oct 28, 2005
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Phred Firecloud Posted Oct 28, 2005
I can recall an elementary school field trip to collect milkweed pods for the Korean war around 1950. Our teacher said the pods were for making parachutes, but in retrospect, considering the brutal cold of that war and the superb insulating properties of milkweed, I think that the milkweed pod collections may have been related to a goosedown shortage and she was just simplifying things for us.
Unable to google any links to that collection effort.
Interesting article.
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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Oct 28, 2005
I think I may have heard s'thing of that sort before, Phred. I may take a look on the 'net myself.
I've put those footnotes in Emmily. BTW There's an unedited Entry on W.I. in the Guide. Fancy 'massgaging it?
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Oct 28, 2005
You shouldn't change the items in a blockquote, as a quote is supposed to be exact, but footnotes are good for explaining things in the quote.
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Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream Posted Oct 28, 2005
>"I've put those footnotes in Emmily. BTW There's an unedited Entry on W.I. in the Guide. Fancy 'massgaging it?"
Is that question directed at me BigAl? If so (continue this on another thread)
Emmily
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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Oct 28, 2005
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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Oct 28, 2005
Ref Milkweed collection:
Did you find this site, Phred:
http://www.countrysidemag.com/issues/2_2003.htm#article1
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Phred Firecloud Posted Oct 28, 2005
Thanks, Big Al, beats me why she had us collecting them five years after WWII was over. Maybe she was left-handed?
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AlexAshman Posted Nov 3, 2005
Good entry
Is there any way you could add a header (such as 'The Weizmann Process') part of the way down to break up the entry a little?
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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Nov 3, 2005
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Elentari Posted Nov 3, 2005
I like this, but I think you need to make it clear in the title which war or wars you are referring to. Also, this sentence:
"Lloyd George's gratitude to Weizmann was such that it led directly to the controversial 1917 Balfour Declaration which set out British approval for the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people - the state of Israel."
didn't make any sense to me. Are you saying that since Weizmann (presumably) was Jewish, Israel was (partially) set up as a reward? It's not very clear, I'm afraid.
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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Nov 3, 2005
Indeed, that is what I'm saying. In Footnote 4 I say that Chaim Weizmann was THE leading Zionist of the time, which is why Israel was set up us a sort of reward. I don't see what needs clarifying about that at all.
I think it would be OTT pedantry to rename the title to 'Use of Conkers in World War 1'.
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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Nov 3, 2005
... especially because WW1 is referred to as The GREAT War.
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Peer Review: A6464720 - Wartime Use of Conkers
- 1: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Oct 27, 2005)
- 2: McKay The Disorganised (Oct 27, 2005)
- 3: Azara (Oct 27, 2005)
- 4: DrMatt (Oct 28, 2005)
- 5: Gnomon - time to move on (Oct 28, 2005)
- 6: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Oct 28, 2005)
- 7: Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream (Oct 28, 2005)
- 8: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Oct 28, 2005)
- 9: Phred Firecloud (Oct 28, 2005)
- 10: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Oct 28, 2005)
- 11: Gnomon - time to move on (Oct 28, 2005)
- 12: Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream (Oct 28, 2005)
- 13: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Oct 28, 2005)
- 14: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Oct 28, 2005)
- 15: Phred Firecloud (Oct 28, 2005)
- 16: AlexAshman (Nov 3, 2005)
- 17: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Nov 3, 2005)
- 18: Elentari (Nov 3, 2005)
- 19: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Nov 3, 2005)
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