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lil ~ Auntie Giggles with added login ~ returned


By Golly!

That took a while.... Well done smiley - applause


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Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

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Websailor

smiley - applause Well done. I am so glad this made it eventually.

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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

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Sho - employed again!

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Opticalillusion- media mynx life would be boring without hiccups

smiley - ta to Nother without whom this Entry may not have materialised and well done to everyone involved, helped and applauded. smiley - bubbly all round


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This Entry was picked to go into the Edited Guide, but the BBC Editors then changed their minds, and we, the h2g2 Guide Editors agree with them.

This entry isn't quite ready to be published yet, as it doesn't really address the single most important issue about golliwogs, which is their total unacceptability today due to their in-built racism.

The entry mentions racism in passing, but we feel it should be more the central issue of the entry.

So we're moving this over to the Flea Market, where someone may take it on and do the necessary changes to address these issues.


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Sho - employed again!

I'm confused. the bulk of the article seems to be about how unacceptable they are, from the politician who had one in his office, to not taking one to work, Robertson's dropping one, Naomi Campbell being referred to as one...

how much more should there be?


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Post 111

shagbark

the epitome of racism seems to be different in the UK and the US.
In America most people would know know who Jim Crow was but almost nobody would now the term golliwog unless they were a collector or had been watching our PR column. The following article never even uses the word.
http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/resources/lessonplans/hs_es_popular_culture.htm


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shagbark

and then there was this
http://etext.virginia.edu/railton/huckfinn/kemblee.jpg


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lil ~ Auntie Giggles with added login ~ returned


Thanks for that link, Shagbark smiley - hug

lil x


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Both of them smiley - biggrin


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Post 115

shagbark

and the issue of two different subeditors seems to be downplayed here.
Did the BBC give it to one who objected and refused to do it, so they then made another copy and gave it to someone else?


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Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

I thought it was making considerable progress in the right direction.

Originally it didn't acknowledge the issue at all, but it was (for once smiley - smiley) 'gently pushed' in the right direction.

Even so...from my perspective it still has a slight tone of 'What a peculiar fuss!'...which I'm not sure is quite right. Can I suggest the following 'story arc':

- Yes, they were taken as lovely, cuddly, treasured toys, *except* that people didn't know about their origins in Minstrel sterotypes (shagbark: is that the comparison that makes sense?)

- Even accepting that the owners of the dolls absolutely meant no harm, people had to go and ruin it. Those were the people who started using 'golliwog' (and its abbreviated form) as a term of racist abuse.

- Controversy still exists because some are not yet up to speed with history. They think it's a matter of busybodies making a fuss about an innocent, traditional toy and ruining it for everyone.

Quotes such as Ms Campbell's would be useful at the end, maybe?


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Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

Hmm. Have I just volunteered to rescue this?

Would I be considered a safe pair of hands? Could I be trusted not to stamp my biases all over it?


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Post 118

lil ~ Auntie Giggles with added login ~ returned


I'm not entirely sure what happened.

It looks likes Icy North picked it up from the Flea Market, then stalled on it.

Galaxy Babe took it up and attempted to make it a collaboration entry, again stalling on it.

Optie finally got hold of it and attempted to keep it light. But the issue of racism needs to be acknowledge more fully.

lil x


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shagbark

I thought lil was the one entrusted with this rescue.


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Geggs

In which case - go for it Ed. It looks like everyone else has had a go already, and not got anywhere. Maybe yours will succeed.smiley - ok


Geggs


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