h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

If the step in the chain is going to end people's suffering and improve their lives I see no reason why not to try and get that step to be stepped sooner. People can help, plenty do, and plenty more don't.

Sure, but we don't need a "sense of urgency" when we're dealing with the whole human race and a few billion years.
Do you help? If so, how?

I don't have the opportunity... yet... I try though...
a few billion years, that would be how many thousands and tens or hundreds of thousands of generations of people who live in a less than desired state. Come on the sooner the better.

There may have never been anyone like me, Malaclypse, nor you, nor anyone truly. Each generation is the best that has come.
I am aware of the ideas and the evolution of thought and understanding in humanities evolution. Humanity as a whole has studied the universe, I'm merely pointing out that we have enough information, that we have enough of a grasp on the nature of the universe that we no longer have to live in the ignorance of physical evolution.
I think you're lucky if you're fairly ok where you are in the world, but many are not. I see suffering all around me, I see people destroy and waste, and carry on their destructive nature to their children and their grandchildren.
We have the capacity to see the actions, and the reasons, and the beliefs behind them, and the ignorance and untruth in these beliefs. We have the ability to educate and change, and find solutions to problems.
I am planning on starting another page on my website, to get into words some actual, physical problems and their solutions (I touched on crime and pollution a little). I am not interested in pushing my opinion on anyone, and I never will. There is an absolute distinction between thought and fact. The real universe has no concern of anyone's opinion of it.
It's not so simple we can just put it into words, right here right now, but I don't think impossible to put into words.

Certainly we can put it into words. A fact is true, independent of the observer. Happy? Good.
All I am saying (currently) is that if such a thing is part of evolution, why force it? The human factor would only ruin it all. Capitalism wasn't planned by a medieval scholar in the feudal ages who sat down and decided to make an unfair and vicious-loopy system; it evolved. An anarcho-communist system looks good on paper, as do many other radical system; however, to force it on the peoples by revolution too fast would only ruin it.
Oh, and could you put up another link to your webpage? I'd like to keep an eye on it.

Its on his space isn't it?

I think I remember it: http://www.angelfire.com/psy/truth

Ah you're words warm my heart
Evolution has no intellect, and no conscience. Our history is an example of living outside of the truth, and of failure and extinction, not of our potential or of our current and future level of understanding and intellect. It is ignorance that ruins it all, not humanity. I have never seen a solution that failed, truly look good on paper. A solution that works considers all influencing factors, and the importance of each.
The current level of understanding of all interactions of all different kinds of matter and energy and thought and force and relationships in the universe, far surpasses anything we've strived to understand in the past. Perhaps this is the first generation of humanity, that it all makes sense to.
You know, I really have a happy, excited outlook on the future of the evolution of the human race! How come I always sound so gloomy?

You're always talking abotu gloomy things... how so many people suffer.

I've seen a solution that didn't work... x+5=19 and X=24 or something like that

No time to post fully now,

Wow I got the link right!

Evolutnio is interesting, how it gets so complex without thought, how did it end upo working so *well*???
Our history is as full of success as it is failure, you're sitting in front of a computer aren't you?
Oh I misunderstood your thing about solutions that failed, that sentence, whoops.
Ignorance doesn't rule it till the ignorant spread it around, its not all bad, ignorance can be cured. Knowledge is the cure for ignorance, it's balanced.

It's NOT complex. It's just a side effect, and nothing more. The reason it ended up working well is that the only possible way it could fail is if it produced a really, really good species that was so good at surviving it displaced all other life and then killed itself because it reached a technological state higher than its evolutionary place. Oh, wait...
The only way that evolution gets characterised as anything at all, like a process, and not just ignored is due to semantics. It is neither a remarkable, lucky, nor sentient, uh, process, it just IS.
I'm getting the impression that I'm not communicating what I mean very well. Oh well - one more bit of enlightenment that I have and you guys don't - hee hee...

Either I did understand what you said and am more enlightened in that area thatn you thought, or I didn't and misinterpreted it and am thinking I did.
Evolution branchs out... there are millions of species, and millions or organs... its not the same evolution that got hearts working correctly that got eyes to work correctly...
The side effect of life is evolution... or is life the side effect? Well it is the sid effect of the universe, it happened but isn't that important in the overall scheme of things... I hate that, not being important in the overall scheme of things, but no oe and nothing ever is. Grand scheme my *** I hate the grand scheme.

maybe not quite millions of organs I didn't mean to say millions.

You're on the right track. The key is no key. Freedom defined is freedom denied.
Examine this poem:
"
I saw a man upon my stairs,
A little man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today;
Gee, I wish he'd go away."
The man upon the stairs does not exist except in terms of language and semantics. We can only characterise him at all because his absence is mentioned; if we were being supremely logical, when we read about his absence, we'd have to stop thinking about him at all. Evolution isn't a name for a process, because there IS no process; only a name. Evolution can't be a name because there's nothing for it to be a name for, except another name.

You're on the right track. The key is no key. Freedom defined is freedom denied.
Examine this poem:
"
I saw a man upon my stairs,
A little man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today;
Gee, I wish he'd go away."
The man upon the stairs does not exist except in terms of language and semantics. We can only characterise him at all because his absence is mentioned; if we were being supremely logical, when we read about his absence, we'd have to stop thinking about him at all. Evolution isn't a name for a process, because there IS no process; only a name. Evolution can't be a name because there's nothing for it to be a name for, except another name.

that... is a very interesting way to put it that I've never thought of before...
But if something isn't there so we're talking about the concept of nothing... then (almost) all books are about nothing! wait,no...
You can talk about soemthintg thats there, your talking abut it...
Damn I've strayed into linguistics *again* damnit. anyway...

Evolution is very broad... it just happens. there's no reason why it shouldn't happen. It happens solely because theres millis of years for it to happen in.

that... is a very interesting way to put it that I've never thought of before...
But if something isn't there so we're talking about the concept of nothing... then (almost) all books are about nothing! wait,no...
You can talk about soemthintg thats there, your talking abut it...
Damn I've strayed into linguistics *again* damnit. anyway...

Evolution is very broad... it just happens. there's no reason why it shouldn't happen. It happens solely because theres millions of years for it to happen in.

We're all talking about nothing, but evolution and things like it, even more so. We're just going round in circles, talking about talking about something; all there is is symbols.
You're nearly there, AK.

oy thats a good thing...
We're here...
wait.. if evolution isn't anything...

Then how the hell are we supposed to speed it up?
It just happens, what are we supposed to do? We can try to intervene, but... it will take many centuries or even millenia to actually change the whole human race biologically unless we go around changing peoples genetic codes...
does that meanm we shouldn't do it or we should start now?

Neither!
It is vitally important that you do not fall into the "should" trap.