h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

This place was my introduction to h2g2, so I recall it fondly.

And it'll never die. Newbies keep popping in, because of its location. It's been fun.

TRiG.

Hugh Everett proposed - and proved mathematically - that the resolution of the Uncertainty Principle in physics is the existence of an infinite number of parallel worlds, each formed when the decay or creation of a particle does or does not happen...

Which is a great way of thinking.

But even that does not prove that in one - or in an infinite number - of worlds, the gods do not exist

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Jez - heathen theologian

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What do people here think about the Templeton Prize?

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Jez

I think that he is just an excuse for people to have some belief, anyway if he is real then why is there all the evil and sin in the world? That's my veiw.

emo

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This world is a fallen world because of man's sin. The bible shows Jesus coming into this fallen world to set people free from the power of the devil, eventually to deal him a decisive blow through his death and resurrection. We live in the days of grace where 'whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved'; days which we are told will become more dark as the end approaches. Jesus is pledged to return, not this time as a suffering servant but as a returning conquering King. 'Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved' is the rallying call of the church in these last days.

mikey2

that's an interesting point..i'm starting to woner..if someone could actually prove wether god is real or not. DO you think that somebody could?

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I genuinely don't have a clue what you're talking about here m1.

When did we 'fall'? When we evolved 100k years ago, when agriculture started 10kya, or in 6006BC or whatever, when the Bible starts?

What are days of grace? How can we tell them apart from days without grace (other than just believing you, which just doesn't cut the mustard I'm afraid)?


It seems to me that your whole paragraph has no meaning in the real world.

I'd be interested to hear the rationalisation behind the ' in these last days' you slipped in at the end. Who says so, why do they say so and how long we got?

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I was giving a biblical answer to the question...'If God exists, why is there evil and suffering in the world?'

'When did we fall?'

em don't know exactly..the bible account of Adam and Eve speaks of mankind disobeying God a long long time ago.

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Since Christ came and died in our place on the cross, we have an opportunity to repent of sin and believe in Christ. These are those days of God's grace...grace being God's undeserved favour...when 'whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.'

'end times'

The bible talks of 'the increase of wickedness' as we enter the 'last days'. Observing current affairs (and an increase in wickedness) makes me wonder whether we are in the 'last days' or 'end times'

mikey2

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I've always thought this was probably a good starting point! (For which an apple would be a good metaphor, don't you think?) I annoyed a sociology lecturer by saying in class that I thought agriculture marked the start of original sin... She got quite cross, but then she was the only right wing lecturer in the whole Teachers' college!

Vicky

<<'When did we fall?'

em don't know exactly..the bible account of Adam and Eve speaks of mankind disobeying God a long long time ago.>>

Adam and Eve aren't real people, m1. Can you actually think this through yourself without parroting what the bible says?

<<'end times'

The bible talks of 'the increase of wickedness' as we enter the 'last days'. Observing current affairs (and an increase in wickedness) makes me wonder whether we are in the 'last days' or 'end times'>>

The fact the NT seemed to predict the end of the world nearly 2000 years but got it wrong doesn't bother you then? People aren't are more wicked now than they were then (less so, if anything), so this is just silly.

Mikey2, this is a subject that fascinates me.

Now we all know that factually speaking Genesis is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

So when was the fall? Given that Eve did not really exist as described in the bible did we all come to be tainted with sin if it wasnt that the bigG just made us all this way?

Della who is a Christian will tll you we evolved from some sort of monkey type ancestor so were these animals tainted by sin? When did we get "souls" how human did our ancestors have to be bore they crossed the evolutuionary tiping point between beasts and men?

(I think it is prejudiced stereotyping of the higest order that Eve and women in general get a bad rep in Chrstianity when the garden of Eden story is nothing but an allegory anyway)


one love

humm interesting.....you both could be right on that one in fact I think you are right........

emo_kid_08

Ooh good, a proper debate.



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"The bible talks of 'the increase of wickedness' as we enter the 'last days'. Observing current affairs (and an increase in wickedness) makes me wonder whether we are in the 'last days' or 'end times'."

But are things actually getting worse?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ramBFRt1Uzk

TRiG.

TRiG, Thanks for the link, I look forward to a new Pinker book.
'But are things actualy getting worse?'
I don't think so, proportionally to the population and other variables I suspect that 'getting worse' is nothing more than fear mongering.

So are scientists agreed that we have more than one set of common parents?

When did sin enter the world? I can't give a definitive answer but I will observe that we humans are set apart from the animal kingdom in a way that cannot be easily explained by 'our brains got bigger'. Think of a sense of morality; a sense of good and evil; conscience; laughter; crying; the innate propensity to understand/ explore/ worship.

Jesus, speaking of little children said: 'Things that cause these little ones to sin are bound to come, but woe to the person through whom they come.' So, according to Jesus, 'sin' is bound up with what it means to be human.

Mikey

sin first entered the world when Adam and Eve ate the apple from the forbidden tree if you didn't know.