A Conversation for Patrice Lumumba - African Statesman
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Peer Review: A3467243 - Patrice Lumumba
John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Started conversation Nov 27, 2005
Entry: Patrice Lumumba - A3467243
Author: John-the-gardener, h2g2 Friends of Tibet (A2170982) - U33262
This has been languishing for some time. I hope you find it interesting.
JTG
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Pinniped Posted Dec 4, 2005
Very well written (and also very chastening)
Now that this Entry is no longer constrained by the biographical requirement of the 'Done too Soon' project, it could possibly be re-titled to reflect the fact that it's really an account of more general events in the region and the period. It certainly informs more widely than just the life and death of Lumumba.
The dispassionate way that it suggests the origins of modern-day atrocities in these events is particularly effective - and depressing.
Definitely worthy of an EG place.
Pin
(I have to confess, too, that I've read Conrad and seen Coppola, but never till now realised that they're the same story. Kind of obvious, now you point it out)
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted Dec 6, 2005
Thanks, Pin. I'll give changing the title some thought. The only reason I might be inclined not to is that Lumumba seems, from what I've read of him, to be someone there should be an Entry about.
I can't claim to have made the connection Between Heart of Darkness and Apocalypse Now myself. It's just something that I remembered seeing or hearing somewhere along the line. Funny the stuff that sticks.
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McKay The Disorganised Posted Dec 11, 2005
Sorry John - I didn't realise this had moved - I thought it was the old entry back.
Indeed a story that deserves its own entry.
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted Dec 11, 2005
Patrice Lumumba is interesting - to me, at least - because his story says so much about the world at that time. In fact, it's a story that's still playing out.
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MiniMy Posted Dec 27, 2005
I first heard of Patrice Lumumba when I read the Poisonwood Bible. I am not sure whether that is historically accurate, but I vaguely remember him escaping with his family before he was recaptured (?).
Great article!
minimy
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Ormondroyd Posted Dec 27, 2005
I like it too. As others have suggested, it's a sobering and well-written tale with clear contemporary resonances.
Perhaps the title should say who Lumumba was - 'Patrice Lumumba - Congo's First Prime Minister', say? It is a Guide convention to include some sort of 'job description' in the titles of Edited Entries about individuals, no matter how famous they are or were. I speak as the author of the entry 'Elvis Presley - the Singer'.
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted Dec 27, 2005
Thanks for the kind review. Good suggestion, Ormondroyd; I'll act on it right away. If The King needed a job description, there's a very good chance that Patrice Lumumba might benefit from having one attached to his name too. I'll use the one you suggested if you don't mind.
JTG
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted Dec 27, 2005
How's 'Patrice Lumumba - African Statesman'? '... Democratic Republic of Congo' is a bit of a mouthful.
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Ivan the Terribly Average Posted Dec 27, 2005
'African Statesman' should do the job, otherwise we'll end up with something like '... Democratic Republic of Congo - No, not that one, the bigger one next to it that was called Zaire for a while'.
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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Dec 29, 2005
I'd never heard of PL until I read this Entry - but he's just made a cameo appearance in the current novel I'm reading by Wilbur Smith (Golden Fox). Most of his novcels are set against the physical and political backdrop of Africa, and could justifiably be described as 'faction'.
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted Dec 30, 2005
To be honest, I'd not heard of him either until I picked his name out of the 'Done Too Soon (alas, not done soon enough) Project' list. He does seem an interesting character, and quite a significant one when Africa is given the attention it deserves. Perhaps he will pop up a third time somewhere else.
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Peer Review: A3467243 - Patrice Lumumba
- 1: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (Nov 27, 2005)
- 2: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (Dec 4, 2005)
- 3: Pinniped (Dec 4, 2005)
- 4: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (Dec 6, 2005)
- 5: McKay The Disorganised (Dec 11, 2005)
- 6: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (Dec 11, 2005)
- 7: MiniMy (Dec 27, 2005)
- 8: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (Dec 27, 2005)
- 9: Ormondroyd (Dec 27, 2005)
- 10: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (Dec 27, 2005)
- 11: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (Dec 27, 2005)
- 12: Ivan the Terribly Average (Dec 27, 2005)
- 13: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (Dec 27, 2005)
- 14: Ormondroyd (Dec 28, 2005)
- 15: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (Dec 29, 2005)
- 16: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Dec 29, 2005)
- 17: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (Dec 30, 2005)
- 18: h2g2 auto-messages (Jan 4, 2006)
- 19: Ormondroyd (Jan 4, 2006)
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