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Post 1041

Mrs Zen

[Ben]


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Post 1042

marvthegrate LtG KEA


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Post 1043

FG

A protest ordinance? In what way is that legal under the U.S. Constitution?


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Post 1044

U195408

You have the right to free speech and assembly...

Landmark supreme court case says that does not give you the right to yell "fire" in a crowded theater. THere's lots of other legal precedence along these lines.

So, you can see how local laws can be written to ensure that there is safety during any form of assembly. Thus you need to apply for a permit to have a "parade" etc. THere usually cheap and easy to get, if they cost anything at all.


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Post 1045

SE

well, silly, don't you know that protests (and assemblies) can only occur in approved zones? That's beaurocracy for you.


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Post 1046

Afgncaap5

Ah, but can you shout "theater" in a crowded fire? Or, if still in the crowded theater, could you shout "foyer"? The second one's probably a no, but the first one....I don't know....

Regardless, yeah, there are constitutional rights to assembly and speech, but there are procedures to go through for those rights to be applicable all the time. You couldn't just have people choosing to assemble in the middle of Main Street during rush hour, for instance. Ergo, you need to get parade licenses and things.

I think that these protesters could've gone with the rules, and maybe included "....and we deserve to be able to organize these things over shorter amounts of time" to their list of views.

I think Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote a bit about this stuff. I think he was in favor of reasonable civil disobedience, but only if the civilly disobedient are willing to accept the legal consequences for what they were doing (fines, jail time, etc.)


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Post 1047

U195408

I think if shouting theater in a crowded fire would have a risk of life threatening stampede, then it's a no. But then that gets into the question of what's currently playing at the theater? These days, I'd say there would be no risk, so next time you're in a crowded fire go ahead and shout theater.

Good point about MLK.


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Post 1048

Demon Drawer

In the UK I know for example that it is impossible to actually stop someone having their say. However if the crowd listening to them causes an obstruction, disturbs the peace or malicious damage you may be liable to prosecution as the incitor of such behaviour.

But the write to free speech and assembly on the public byway is enshrined in some law from the 18th Century. I'll look it up later if I get a chance.


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Post 1049

Toccata

I agree that protest has to be carried out in a safe considerate manner, but there is a danger of only 'agreeable' protests being permited.

I may not have my facts straight, but weren't there recent cases of protesting in the uk being stopped as it was politically embarassing?

The Japanese Head of State/ Bush recent visits come to mind.

I get muddled re which midnight, but then I was born at midnight and my twin a few minutes past so things get silly. My Mum tells me that you cannot have midnight on your birth certificate, so I have 00.01 smiley - silly

Oh yes, Phill is right, it was the musical version. The red Weed music and the Ullla's spooked my friends.


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Post 1050

Good Doctor Zomnker (This must be Tuesday," said GDZ to himself, sinking low over his Dr. Pepper, "I never could get the hang of Tuesdays.")

It is illegal to criticize the shrub if you are within one mile of him. You can say all the "good" you want anywhere however.


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Post 1051

Noggin the Nog

So, it's illegal for the President not to be surrounded by yes men and sycophants?

I'll bet that would surprise the framers of the Constitution.

Noggin


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Post 1052

Afgncaap5

I wouldn't say that, Zomnker. I mean, Bush might very well try to stop any critics from speaking against him under any circumstances, but we're not yet to that point.

However, if this Patriot Act mess isn't cleared up, one has to wonder how far away we are from such rulings....

I remember one Onion article that had the headline, "New Patriot Act makes it illegal to read the Patriot Act." That about summed up how bad this thing might get.


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Post 1053

Good Doctor Zomnker (This must be Tuesday," said GDZ to himself, sinking low over his Dr. Pepper, "I never could get the hang of Tuesdays.")

I have read reports of the zones I mentioned in my last post.


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Post 1054

Ivan the Terribly Average

[Ivan] - inexplicably busy.


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Post 1055

Asteroid Lil - Offstage Presence

*has a good laugh over the backlog*
*thinks about the USA Patriot Act (and George Orwell) and stops laughing*


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Post 1056

Afgncaap5

The Patriot Act's scary, but I don't see it lasting.


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Post 1057

Bald Bloke

Sounds like it ought to be titled

The Scoundral Act.


[BB]


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Post 1058

Afgncaap5

Anyone wanna try out my new shrink ray? It's really fun. Because you can make stuff....shrink....

*Sighs and tosees the shrink ray down the stairs*

It's a boring day over here....


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Post 1059

Seth of Rabi

BB

Just done that test of your's and scored same as Titania - "not cynical as much as world-weary"

Also told me off for laughing at children.

What is all this about over-encouraging children's unrealistic ambitions? The flip-side of the same single is to tell them that they're so perfect, they remain blind to their own short-comings, and other people's points of view.

Shouldn't they be given at least a half-chance of beating more reasonable expectations as they develop? Must be tough sweeping roads when you were groomed from birth to be president.


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Post 1060

Afgncaap5

Yeah, people need to give less attention to self esteem in children. It's certainly important, but kids need to fail at a few things just so that they can know it's possible.


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