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Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive Posted Nov 22, 2003
The Queen of Pentacles makes me think of safety and warmth. Status quo. Being settled. But that's not necessarily where I should stay. My bed is nice and warm and safe in the mornings but, if I never moved from it, where would I be?
Or perhaps she represents the influences on my health and well-being, most of which seem to be female and grown-up like Lil and Caer but also my acupuncturist, my GP and the people I'm closest to at the university.
The 3 of pentacles seems to be saying something about foundations.
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dElaphant (and Zeppo his dog (and Gummo, Zeppos dog)) - Left my apostrophes at the BBC Posted Nov 22, 2003
The Princess of Cups? Does that correspond to the page or the knight in other decks? Amy, the imagery is often similar but can vary tremendously in different decks.
I'm very jealous, Caer. Amazon.com still does not list the golden tarot.
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Coniraya Posted Nov 22, 2003
The Chariot means to me a warrior who has taken up a challenge, he is protected by faith in himself and he is willing to take on the agression of others and stand up for what he believes in. He believes in a just cause and knows that discipline will lead to finding a balance. The horses represent challenge and the warrior will overcome them as he is over them. My card doesn't have a castle, but I get the feeling of security when I try to picture it in the card.
So regarding your health in the past, Amy, you have faced the challenge of ill health, it has been a struggle but determination to get to the source has been part of your ability to deal with it. Some days it has been a challenge to even get up and out of bed, but you have been disciplined enough to do so and your resolve to carry on with the challenge has been strengthened.
More widely I say that you have received conflicting advice which has left you feeling confused, but overall your own inner strength and care from one or possibly two professionals has been the most helpful in dealing with these medical problems
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Coniraya Posted Nov 22, 2003
I was so busy concentrating I didn't see you there, d'E!
I don't know why Amazon.com doesn't have the cards yet, they are produced by US Games. How about Barnes & Noble do they have them?
*turns to the Queen of Pentacles, assuming it is the same as the Princess, and concentates*
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Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive Posted Nov 22, 2003
It says in my instruction book that the Princess is called the Page in some decks.
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Coniraya Posted Nov 22, 2003
Rightio, and it's the Queen of Pentacles in #2. I was getting them confused.
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Asteroid Lil - Offstage Presence Posted Nov 22, 2003
I can't remember which mythical figure is represents the Queen of Pentacles in the Mythic Tarot, and it's been so long since I resorted to the book that I can't find it.
The three of pentacles is traditionally about a successful transaction or investment; two coins have produced a third.
Do I recall you saying you had found a specialist who seemed to take your case more seriously than previous doctors?
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Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive Posted Nov 22, 2003
I saw a specialist last month who thought that the neurologists weren't doing enough but I haven't heard any more about it.
On my card of the three of pentacles there is a blueprint of some sort in the foreground and three men building a window containing the three pentacle symbols.
Perhaps there is a way forward involving hard work. But I don't have to do it alone.
Am I to search for the Princess (Page) of Cups or is she telling me something? The Princess of Cups card seems to be the opposite of The Chariot in some senses.
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Coniraya Posted Nov 22, 2003
The next three cards are new to me so I’m not sure how much use my interpretation is. Bearing in mind this card has fallen in the ‘present’ position of your question and is a card of business or career, I would say it represents the people who are involved with your medical care, particularly as it is a card of caring and well being, normally associated with domestic happiness and comfort. I think this because when tarot was developing, hospitals were not somewhere that the general populace received care, they were cared for in their own homes.
So I would say that you are receiving as good medical care as you would you get anywhere, that those responsible for it are professional, altruistic and using experienced gained from practise as well as training. Of course, they may well have differing views and communication, both between each other as well as with you and by you, is vital in managing your case.
Although the Queen would indicate a female holds a particularly key role, it could also be a male in what may be perceived as a traditionally female role, a male nurse for example. I get the feeling that some one is on your side, but this could just be because the medical profession as a whole is there to help.
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Witty Moniker Posted Nov 22, 2003
*Watches Amy's reading through her clever magnifying table.*
d'E, the Golden Tarot is supposed to ship in late November according to several sites I checked. That would be *checks watch* any day now. Keep checking.
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Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive Posted Nov 22, 2003
I think the 3 of Pentacles is a very positive card. It speaks of teamwork and competence and of the completion of something that will last. I think it represents good health or improving health.
I'm still stuck on the Princess of Cups as the card to indicate the factors encouraging or modifying the outcome. She seems such a dreamy, reflective figure in contrast to the go-getter, make-your-own-luck feel of the 3 of Pentacles.
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Coniraya Posted Nov 22, 2003
I’m finding the Three of Pentacles a tough one, in my deck it isn’t a picture card, it shows 3 coins with plant fronds and blooms, I get the impression of success following some effort. This could be successful in finding a doctor on the same wave length as you, who you can talk to easily, as pentacles represent business/career/profession as much as success in finding the cause of your illness, the two may well go hand in hand.
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Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive Posted Nov 22, 2003
One of the reasons I chose the Cosmic cards was that every card has a picture.
Interestingly, a google search led me to one site that said the Queen of Pentacles was an ant whereas the Princess/Page of Cups is a grasshopper and another site said that the 3 of Pentacles is advice to behave as a worker ant and not as a grasshopper. So perhaps the fourth card is a warning. *Don't* be a grasshopper.
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Coniraya Posted Nov 22, 2003
I’m not sure that helps much, I suppose an is not afraid of work and effort, is organised and logical, but I don’t know anything about grasshoppers except that they jump high!
But if thoughts about your career were lurking at the back of your mind as you did the spread, then the Queen could be relating to you and your work life, it would certainly be a very positive card.
I wonder if the Page of Cups represents a new doctor or new approach? I think it will take a little while for this happen, or that improvements might be slow, but that a change for the better is on its way in time. Perhaps the specialist you saw is represented by this card.
Would it be worth asking your GP to get in touch with the specialist to see what is happening? Or even to phone the department where you saw him? There’s
nothing wrong in asking perfectly innocently that you hadn’t heard any more and should you have made a follow up appointment?
Just as well it isn’t a 21 card spread, it would take me days!
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Titania (gone for lunch) Posted Nov 22, 2003
*uses her own cards to lay out Amy's*
Hmmm... the Chariot - the creatures pulling it aren't visible in the picture, but to judge from the way the driver holds the reins they are pulling in different directions. The driver himself looks a bit resolute, as if he's determined to try to make them pull in the same direction even if it is hard. There is a flag fastened to the cariot, with stars on a blue background. It gives me the impression that he'd be a light-hearted fellow if it wasn't for the constant struggle.
The Queen of Pentacles - she sits on a throne surrounded by beauty and richness of flowers and fruits. She looks a bit serious though, as if she holds back a bit instead of enjoying. There's a ragged, bare, snow-covered mountain in the background (in the past?) which might be the reason.
Three of Pentacles - a very competent looking man, some kind of craftsman, with a roll of paper in his hand - his letter of - of *consults dictionary, in vain* anyway, a paper showing his skills in his profession. He's standing on a table, with a nun to the left, holding a big book (a nurse?). To the right there is an old man with a long white beard looking up at the younger man - his tutor?
Page of Cups - a young man standing on a quay, with a cup in his hand and roses on the ground by his feet. To me it seems he's taking goodbye from good things before setting out on a journey on the ship (there's a stern behind him, in the sea). There's a fish jumping up out of the water to the right of the page, which seems to suggest that the journey might not be as tough as the page thinks, and maybe also that he won't be alone on his journey, but have company, if only by a fish swimming in the water beside the ship.
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Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive Posted Nov 22, 2003
The creatures pulling the chariot in some cards are swans but there always seems to be one black one and one white one. However, I don't think it's a complementary pair of the yin yang type. I think it's to show that they're individuals and I strongly feel they represent body and mind in this case.
The Queen looks comfortable, maybe slightly complacent? Cat-like, perhaps. But steadfast.
The three of Pentacles is looking increasing to represent an outcome due to the work of many - but a positive outcome.
I think the ship in the Page of Cups picture represents dreams, failing to face up to reality. Like the grasshopper in the fable. See A766019.
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Asteroid Lil - Offstage Presence Posted Nov 22, 2003
Perhaps the Page/Princess of Cups represents your creative side, Amy, the one that does art. In the court cards, the page/princess usually stands for nascence, the beginning or stirring of something.
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dElaphant (and Zeppo his dog (and Gummo, Zeppos dog)) - Left my apostrophes at the BBC Posted Nov 22, 2003
OK, I'll add an interpretation too, just to confuse things a little more
I agree with the interpretations of the chariot - opposing forces that are being reined in and controlled. Body and mind is a good way of viewing it if your body and mind have been pulling in opposite directions, but I would rather view the charioteer as the mind, controlling the body which is not cooperating with itself. I'm looking at the Rider-Waite deck, the horses are represented by black and white sphinxes and they are at rest, but facing away from each other.
The Queen of Pentacles shows the queen looking deeply into a pentacle, surrounded by roses, her throne is engraved with fruit, a rabbit is near her feet. The reference says she is a woman of intelligence, capable of seeing within things, and it is a card of generosity, so I take it to mean someone who can look into your health and make sense of it.
The three of pentacles shows a sculptor at work, while two figures hold a drawing. It's a card of craftsmanship, and to me indicates a successful craftsman or artist. Remember that medicine is an art, or at least the diagnostic part of it is, so it looks like your future will bring a successful diagnosis. The story these three cards are telling me so far is that you don't have a diagnosis yet, but your current doctors are very skilled at looking into things and with some time will be able to help you.
The card of action, the princess of cups, in my deck shows a page holding a cup near the sea, in this case the fish is in the cup and he is looking right at it, seemingly amused, and the fish is looking back at him (it reminds me a little of the tale of the fisherman who catches a talking fish). My book says it represents someone who is studious and meditative and impelled to render service. My interpretation is that all the pieces are not yet in place for your successful diagnosis, there is someone else you need to find who is able to help you, someone good at research.
I think it's a good reading. You're on the path to a successful diagnosis, and your current team of doctors is the right one - you just have to add a researcher to it. The researcher could even be you.
<-- thinks the cards look tastey
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Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive Posted Nov 22, 2003
*looks up at the sound of d'Elaphant's voice only to be greeted by a view up Zeppo's nose at 16x magnification*
Things aren't looking too good from here .
Actually, I agree it's a positive reading but it looks as if I'll have to be patient until the right person turns up. Thanks.
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Coniraya Posted Nov 22, 2003
Yes, a positive reading alrighty
I need to learn how to express the intuitions or whatever they are. I know there is a lot more to find in the cards, because I can feel it, like goosebumps, but I haven't found how to tune in to that level of understanding yet.
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- 41: Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive (Nov 22, 2003)
- 42: dElaphant (and Zeppo his dog (and Gummo, Zeppos dog)) - Left my apostrophes at the BBC (Nov 22, 2003)
- 43: Coniraya (Nov 22, 2003)
- 44: Coniraya (Nov 22, 2003)
- 45: Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive (Nov 22, 2003)
- 46: Coniraya (Nov 22, 2003)
- 47: Asteroid Lil - Offstage Presence (Nov 22, 2003)
- 48: Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive (Nov 22, 2003)
- 49: Coniraya (Nov 22, 2003)
- 50: Witty Moniker (Nov 22, 2003)
- 51: Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive (Nov 22, 2003)
- 52: Coniraya (Nov 22, 2003)
- 53: Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive (Nov 22, 2003)
- 54: Coniraya (Nov 22, 2003)
- 55: Titania (gone for lunch) (Nov 22, 2003)
- 56: Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive (Nov 22, 2003)
- 57: Asteroid Lil - Offstage Presence (Nov 22, 2003)
- 58: dElaphant (and Zeppo his dog (and Gummo, Zeppos dog)) - Left my apostrophes at the BBC (Nov 22, 2003)
- 59: Amy the Ant - High Manzanilla of the Church of the Stuffed Olive (Nov 22, 2003)
- 60: Coniraya (Nov 22, 2003)
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