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Asteroid Lil - Offstage Presence Posted Oct 8, 2001
*Matina notices lamb and rolls directly over to hook. She unhooks the lamb and takes it to the kitchen. Cooking noises ensue*
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Titania (gone for lunch) Posted Oct 8, 2001
Wow, a double-posting unau - ladies and gentlemen - for the very first time in the history of h2g2 - at least I think so...
Citizens? I'd happily settle with humans, but OK... *shrugs*
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Chris Tonks Posted Oct 8, 2001
No, really, 1023.
10 fingers and thumbs, OK? Now, we go up in powers of two, like so.
1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + 64 + 128 + 256 + 512 = 1023. Tada!
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Titania (gone for lunch) Posted Oct 8, 2001
*sweet smile*
And now Prof, would you please explain to us exactly how you end up with that answer only using your fingers?
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Asteroid Lil - Offstage Presence Posted Oct 8, 2001
I do have a calculator, actually. It's nearly 15 years old, solar powered, and it converts between decimal, hex and binary. Does calculations in all three radices. Um, I think it does octal as well, but I have never had a use for that radix.
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marvthegrate LtG KEA Posted Oct 8, 2001
I have a computer. I do not know how to use most advanced functions on a calc anyway so I just use my compy to do the simple stuff. Anything else I leave to smarter people.
Did I say how badly I hate math?
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Phil Posted Oct 8, 2001
My calculator needs a new battery. That's why I just use one on the computer now. Any other sums can be done in my head or with a pencil and paper
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Chris Tonks Posted Oct 8, 2001
My other calculator does all four conversions too.
Right, OK. In binary, let's say each of your fingers can represent two states, 0 and 1. All fingers down is 0 and all up is 1023.
So that's: 0000000000 and 1111111111.
Each finger represents a column. In our decimal system we have units, tens, hundreds, thousands, etc. In binary we have units, twos, fours, eights, sixteens, etc. Hence, our hands are laid out thusly:
| 512 | 256 | 128 | 64 | 32 | 16 | 8 | 4 | 2 | 1 |
So, a value of 1 in the '1' column would give us, uh, one one. A value of 1 in the '2' column would give us one two. A value of 1 in the '2' column and a 1 in the '1' column would give us one two and one one, or three.
I'll leave you to work out how to get a value of 10.
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Chris Tonks Posted Oct 8, 2001
The reason I used only binary as an example is because our fingers can only have two states (unless you want to be really clever and only have them up by defined amounts ). If each finger could show ten states like our decimal system then we could count up to 9999999999.
And hex! Woah! I never realised counting on fingers was so interesting!
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Asteroid Lil - Offstage Presence Posted Oct 8, 2001
Has anyone here heard the Tom Lehrer song "New Math"?
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Gw7en, Voice of Chaos (Classic) Posted Oct 8, 2001
I have indeed and it was just running through my head.
Binary cannot have any numeral over a 1 though, Prof. this was my problem. If you count to ten (base 10) in binary, you go: 1, 10, 11, 100, 101, 110, 111, 1000, 1001, 1010. That's where I got my 1010.
G7
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Arlecchino (school gets in the way) Posted Oct 8, 2001
*refuses to do math when not neccissary*
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Chris Tonks Posted Oct 8, 2001
Each finger has two states though. And as each finger has an increasing value (going up by powers of two), we get some prety big numbers.
Oh, and I tried to work out the largest hex value we can represent with out fingers (FFFFFFFFFF), but the calculator screen wasn't big enough.
It's 16^10 though, if anyone else wants to try.
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dElaphant (and Zeppo his dog (and Gummo, Zeppos dog)) - Left my apostrophes at the BBC Posted Oct 8, 2001
/* tin can speaks */
I am very upset at Chris for making me think in binary. Dang! He goes straight for my weakness.
Lil, I'm one of the ones who hasn't done any homework.
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marvthegrate LtG KEA Posted Oct 8, 2001
Binary is something I ahve to think is every so often. I also count things like eggs starting at 0. It annoys my room mate when he assists me in the kitchen.
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- 501: Gw7en, Voice of Chaos (Classic) (Oct 8, 2001)
- 502: Asteroid Lil - Offstage Presence (Oct 8, 2001)
- 503: Titania (gone for lunch) (Oct 8, 2001)
- 504: Chris Tonks (Oct 8, 2001)
- 505: Chris Tonks (Oct 8, 2001)
- 506: Titania (gone for lunch) (Oct 8, 2001)
- 507: Asteroid Lil - Offstage Presence (Oct 8, 2001)
- 508: marvthegrate LtG KEA (Oct 8, 2001)
- 509: Phil (Oct 8, 2001)
- 510: Chris Tonks (Oct 8, 2001)
- 511: Chris Tonks (Oct 8, 2001)
- 512: Titania (gone for lunch) (Oct 8, 2001)
- 513: Asteroid Lil - Offstage Presence (Oct 8, 2001)
- 514: Gw7en, Voice of Chaos (Classic) (Oct 8, 2001)
- 515: Arlecchino (school gets in the way) (Oct 8, 2001)
- 516: Chris Tonks (Oct 8, 2001)
- 517: dElaphant (and Zeppo his dog (and Gummo, Zeppos dog)) - Left my apostrophes at the BBC (Oct 8, 2001)
- 518: marvthegrate LtG KEA (Oct 8, 2001)
- 519: Gw7en, Voice of Chaos (Classic) (Oct 8, 2001)
- 520: Gw7en, Voice of Chaos (Classic) (Oct 8, 2001)
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