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bobstafford Posted Jan 18, 2010
Are the names in the speech
http://www.chronique.com/Library/Knights/crispen.htm
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gandalfstwin OGGMSTKMBGSUIKWIATA Posted Jan 18, 2010
What links the names Crispian and Crispin???
And 320 AD???
GT
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Taff Agent of kaos Posted Jan 18, 2010
soissons and faversham, both claim to have a relic of st. crispin.....like a skull???? obviously both cant have the skull, so perhapse one has crispin and the other crispian
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Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic. Posted Jan 18, 2010
For you Taff.
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Enter the KING
WESTMORELAND. O that we now had here
But one ten thousand of those men in England
That do no work to-day!
KING. What's he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more methinks would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.'
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
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Taff Agent of kaos Posted Jan 18, 2010
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter, Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester, Westmoreland, Jove and Crispian
these are the names, though most are titles
were Jove and Crispian brothers and governers of roman faversham and siosson
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Rod Posted Jan 18, 2010
I am , again, amazed at the stringing together of words by that man.
Nothing else to contribute. ( I got St Crispin's day, [eve] but too late (I'm half a day away).
Unless... how many rivers are named Dee?
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pebblederook-The old guy wearing surfer beads- what does he think he looks like? Posted Jan 18, 2010
The link betwixt Faversham and Soissons is a relic of St Crispin. It is indeed the skull of Crispin, the one in Faversham is smaller than the one in Soissons, the caretaker of the reliquary in Faversham explained that it was smaller because "It's St Crispins skull when he was a boy."
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Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic. Posted Jan 18, 2010
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bobstafford Posted Jan 18, 2010
GT +3
St Crispin and St Crispinian were brothers twins in fact.
They were killed together as success attracted the attention of Rictus Varus, the governor of Gaul, who had them tortured and beheaded.
Whilst converting the heathen they made shoes just to survive. St Crispinian is always forgotten even reading Henry V it is not obvious.
In the 6th century, a church was built in their honour at Soissons.
However a tradition states that St Crispin and St Crispinian escaped to Faversham during the persecution of Christians.
In early 2007 the parish church of St Mary of Charity dedicated an altar to St Crispin and St Crispinian in the south aisle of the church.
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Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic. Posted Jan 18, 2010
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bobstafford Posted Jan 18, 2010
SCORES
Keith
+1 Saint
+1 Leather not just shoes
GT
+3 St Crispin
+3 Crispian/Crispinian
+1 Agincourt
+1 Hengest and Horsa + 1 (Founders of the kingdom of Kent) though I suspect this was an accident.
Taff
+1 Cobblers
+1 Gog and Magog (Founders of the Swedish royal line) Invasions of Kent though again I suspect this was an accident.
Well done chaps
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bobstafford Posted Jan 18, 2010
Hello pebblederook
The link betwixt Faversham and Soissons is a relic of St Crispin. It is indeed the skull of Crispin, the one in Faversham is smaller than the one in Soissons, the caretaker of the reliquary in Faversham explained that it was smaller because "It's St Crispins skull when he was a boy."
"It's St Crispins skull when he was a boy." Did he get a new one for his adult years . 2 skulls indeed a miracle.
Can I have a link or something.
I don't disbelieve this but I cant find the relic ref however if supported +6
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bobstafford Posted Jan 18, 2010
Oops missed this
DGI +1 logicus for gunpowder and faversham.
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Feisor - -0- Generix I made it back - sortof ... Posted Jan 18, 2010
Too late again!
The problem of being Antipodean.
I knew that St Crispin had a twin brother and that they are the patron saints of leatherworkers.
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pebblederook-The old guy wearing surfer beads- what does he think he looks like? Posted Jan 18, 2010
Bob the relic story is just me in Alan Davies mode... it is stolen from the original story of the American tourist in Ireland who was sold a skull purported to be that of Brian Boru. Many years later he returned to Ireland (the American not Brian) and was offered the skull of Brian Boru by the same man who hadn't recognised him, and when he remonstrated that he had already purchased the skull years before and that this one was also smaller, received that very reply "Ah yes sorr but this skull is Brian Boru's when he was a boy".
I shall from henceforth place a smiley after my less than serious (most) attempts at answers.
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