h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

this is great, i only have two problems with it: add somethin about the dolls of New York (or the New York Dolls) cause they were there before the Ramones ever hooked up and add something about Fat Wreck Chords and Epitaph. (web pages are as follows: www.fatwreck.com and www.epitaph.com ) The only reason I know about the New York Dolls is because I did a report on punk. Add Rancid or NoFX and you'll be set!

It's England you dolt. At least spell it right. Also, Green Day aren't sell outs, although you're right about Blink 182 since they pretty much have their own clothing range. Don't just think I'm some stupid disgruntled pop-punk fan, I'm actually listening to the Clash as I write this and love 70s/80s punk.

Sorry, I meant to post that as a new thread.

Hmmmm im gonna butt in and argue that NoFX are not punk in the traditional sense...
punk music was played by people who had more attitude & opinions than musical talent... the idea was to play shitty and not care how it sounded, it wasnt about how it sounded, the worse the better, the less pop it was... NoFX aalthough they deal with lyrics about politics etc, that does NOT make them punk... expressive political, emotional, anti or pro drugs etc lyrics are written by hip hop artists, reggae singers etc

america took the type of music that came from new york and sparked it up for the sun, sand n sea calafornia skate "punks"...
it isnt really punk rock

im still undecided about Rancid, but i hav lost respect for Tim Armstrong since hes dating Kelly Osbourne... lol

i must disagee with you there doll as i think NoFx are punk...what genre you put a band in varies between peoples opinions.........

Kelly Osbourne is actually dating Rob Aston from The Transplants....

LoZ xxxx

of course things vary from person to person, but as it stands, nofx are not punk in the grand old tradition that punk is, they represent a lot of what punk is, that i can agree too but so do other bands, metal bands, even some pop singers! lol

and i apologise, i read in the sun(not the most reliable i know) that kelly herself said she was dating tim armstrong... but if im wrong, im wrong

havin ur own clothing range doesnt make u a sell out completely, malcolm mclaren n vivinne westbook had shops where they deisgned punk clothing. ok, they themselves werent in bands but he did manage the sex pistols... and they got a lot of stuff from their shops "Sex"

i get all these music genres mixed up myself....how i put music is in to music i like and music i dont like....dont give a crap bout punk, rap , rnb ect ect blondes eh?

ahhh the Sun i read that about Kelly O too but another more relibale internet site stated differently and in Kelly Os own column in..erm..i forgot but ill go have a look......

what is a defination of punk then sweetheart?

LoZ xxx

i dunno about that, im blonde...

Hmmmm aah, that age old question... i cant really answer that... i can tell ya everythin punk aint... erm, punk isnt about fightin, or violence, spitting, pogoing, or drugs, or nazis,

what u hav 2 remember, the 1970s were a v different time to what we live in now, there woz social chaos, everyone was skint, so people stole, racism was everywhere, it was a time when everything was plain, ordinary... they didnt hav the range in clothes that we ha, it was all flares and other 60s throw backs... punk music was about savin rock n roll, the culture that grew up around it was full of teenagers who wanted to be individual as they had never had teh chance... the "punk" look was original as no one had done that b4, the swastikas were about bein offensive, it was nothing political. lookin back, people seem to associate punk with spittin, mohecans, violence, heroin... thats not how it started, the bad evil ikkle american new york scene started that! lol although sid vicious invented the pogp! lol
erm, punk music was the most alternative style of music to popular clean music that the record companies were releasing. it was loud, obnoxious, nasty, fast... it was noise, thats all... its was awful... it was about getting a band together and not caring if you could play. it was bein crap and knowin it... they didnt care... it was only offensive because back then, the "f" word was offensive... it was a shock to the people of britian... thats all it was... it was three chords and not melodic!

"punk music was about savin rock n roll"


Exactly

yeh, after writing that v long post, that one sentence you quoted sumed up what punk is... lol