h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

There. That's done, if not gracefully.

Anything else?

As you say, it's not exactly elegant. But with each skin having it's own characteristics ...

I'll read again this evening, but at first once-through, I like it. It "works" for me.

A10509239 - Post-post Remorse - for ease of navigation

My sympathies - this yikes business has become somewhat cumbersome. May I respectfully suggest that you leave out where on the page to find the yikes button (no need for a map), and also describe said button by what it has in common in each of the skins - viz:

"In h2g2, it is the 'Yikes' button that will block your post with a standard moderation notice. It appears variously as an icon with an exclamation point or as a smiley, but with a horrified expression."

Hope this helps - if not,

ok, sorry in advance for this, but I'm not very encouraged that this entry is actually suitable for the EG as it is. I'll explain my reasons for thinking this.

This entry seems to be about the feelings that people get from posting and general advice on how to react rather than an actual 'real' something.

This is more about how people use a site like h2g2 and giving advice on how to act, than an entirely factual entry. In effect, this is your version of site etiquette. We have plenty of site etiquette entries on h2g2, and none of them are Edited. There is also a lot of advice given that may well contradict the advice in this entry, which shows that this really is opinion, rather than factual.

I may be wrong and the Eds might accept this, but in that case we're opening the floodgates to every opinion piece on how to act on message boards and other community areas.

Remorse is an emotion - just as anger is an emotion, and there is an edited entry under Misanthropy entitled 'Tips on anger management'. In re-reading this entry I find that the thing being described is Post-post Remorse, and the follow-up includes how it happens and what to do when it does - all of which seems proper for a guide. In fact, it contains a link to another edited entry about flaming and trolling which has a similar format.

I do see the point about opinion pieces, but I think this is more than that. If there were an entry, for example, on 'staircase wit - or, I wish I had said that' then this would be similar.

Well, ok, that last argument was wholly subjective, but I'm still fairly happy with the first one - hope it's persuasive.

I see a few problems with the section about our yikes button.

"In h2g2, there is a 'Yikes' button will block your post with a standard moderation notice. In the Alabaster and Classic Goo skins this button takes the form of a round horrified face in the bottom right corner of the post. In Plain skin it is an exclamation point in a triangle in the bottom right. In Brunel the exclamation point is in a circle, and it is center right"

I would have said 'On h2g2...', but I'll leave that one to your own judgement and that of the Eds.

"there is a 'Yikes' button will block your post with a standard moderation notice"
'there is a 'Yikes' button which, when clicked on, will alert the Moderators to the post in question and result in it being replaced by a moderation notice if it's found to break one of the House Rules'

bottom right - bottom-right

exclamation point - exclamation mark

center right - centre-right

Actually it's the 'complaint' button. If this entry is going to stay in PR (which I disagree with) it should at least be accurate.

I really think this is more of a help page, and we already have lots of those with all this info on site already.

Hmmm, I am somewhat puzzled by the assertion that this entry emulates a help page.

I really don't read it like that. It is not even hootoo specific in its 'advice'. This is an entry on (internet centred) social gaffes and etiquette, it is quirky and it is useful. The authore has followed all direction from peer reviewers while carefully retaining a singular and individual style. I personally don't see a problem with it going into the Guide. Perhaps we could have some guidance from the PTB on the matter?
W

The official name is the 'complaint button', but by and large, it's only referred to as that on official pages - it's almost always called the 'Yikes' button in conversations. Perhaps that should be made clear in the entry, if the part about h2g2 is to remain, which I'm beginning to wonder about since it covers ground that *is* already on Help pages.

Post-post remorse is a 'net-wide phenomenon wherever there are messageboards or any way of interacting with other people, so I think it has a place in the EG.

I think it's time to call in another opinion then. Anybody know anybody?



The entry was originally intended to identify and describe a malady that effects many forum-users. The 'advice' and 'help' part kind of crept in.
Mostly it is in the last two added sections which could always be removed again . If the third section is no good too, I guess it had better be pulled.



I don't want to defend - heck, I guess I am but I'm not offended or anything, I respect Eco's superior knowledge - but there's a really strange entry on footnotes that technically covers stuff already in the help pages and already in the EG, and even acknowledges it in its text.

I'll fix all the most recent corrections soon, either way.

"I think it's time to call in another opinion then. Anybody know anybody?"

I have already asked the Eds if they could have a look. If this *is* considered suitable by them, I have lots of comments to make, but I don't want to spend time if this is, as I suspect, not suitable.

"I respect Eco's superior knowledge"

I wouldn't say superior knowledge - I've got a lot of experience admittedly, but that doesn't make my opinion more superior than anyone else's. I've still had to ask the Eds for their final say-so, the same as anyone else. But thanks for saying so anyway.

Leo,
If you're happy to take out the addendum sections, do so. This entry is an excellent one. As you know already, you have the freedom to pick and choose what guidance you go with - but it is kind of nice to say what you are doing so people know why you are making your decisions. It is your baby, and a great one at that.




W

What she said.

Out it goes then... if I can get it to work from this computer...

nevermind, that'll have to wait a day or two.

>>I have already asked the Eds if they could have a look. <<

That never materialised, did it?

Nope, as you were, Leo. You're doing fine.

W

Wall, I was just wondering if I should wait for the professional opinion before taking the entry to the chopping block.

I think it's a great entry - so far, there's only eco saying she doesn't think it's suitable for the edited guide- ok, each to their opinion. There is another entry which she wants to see in the guide, and I differ in my opinion - different people, different opinions. Leave this as it is Leo, and wait what will happen - and hopefully you'll get a more definate answer soon