h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

pac·i·fism
The belief that disputes between nations should and can be settled peacefully.

Opposition to war or violence as a means of resolving disputes.
Such opposition demonstrated by refusal to participate in military action.

See also "Flippant", "Frivolous".

I was just replying with a stupid little joke someone...mabye me for all I know now...came up with a couple of years ago for it...but who knows actualy putting an actual defition up might help a few people


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Hey, Tacsatduck,
I enjoyed the joke, and I wasn't getting at you. Some people aren't approving of my attitude on this thread, so we're engaged in a little bit of immature name calling. It's a release from the stresses of the day.

Sorry for the confusion. "Pass the fist" - heh

I think someone posted something like this before but I came across it...I have made way to many posts today sorry

http://www.webdesignlab.co.uk/niksthings/masking.html


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"I think the new polls should go like this;

"Do you approve of invading Iraq?"

"Yes sir, I certainly do!"

"Splendid. Here's your uniform. Go wait in the back of the lorry."

Although I daresay some sap will miss the point and point out that an untrained force would be of no use..."

Do you approve of action against organised crime? Yes? Here's your police-uniform and baton. See you at the raid.

Like most bad arguments, falls to bits when you try to apply it's logic to every situation. We have a qualified army for the same reason we have a qualified police force - to do the job so we don't have to. And that goes for you, me and everyone else here.

Can I also just, please, ask the anti-war people to stop making personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with them or insinuating they have said things they didn't. If your arguments are good, deploy them instead of insults and accusations.

And, yes, I'll try and do that too.

"Well Geoff, if you are not willing to stand behind what you say then your words, like your pathetic self, have no value. Why not have some fun speculating about your own brutal death? I'll be more then happy to offer some value judgements for an efficient end"

Amoeba you portray a belief in peace. Aurgue against war and killing people. However when someone on a message board designed to discuss ideas and different points of views does not agree with your opinions you brutally attack them. Your above words articulate a propensity for voilence on your part. Leading me to quetion your real agenda. I was Joking when I asked asked if I should address you as Nevile Chamberlin how ever maybe I was not off mark.

Starbirth
If 'I' want to send my fellow country men to fight in foriegn lands?
Are you under the Illusion that you are speaking to the president of the United States? Should I follow suit and pretend you are Nevil Chamberlin? Do you believe that Screaming at someone will promote your agenda?"

amoeba
YES! And I mean *you* screaming at *your* government representatives to make sure *your* fellow countrymen don't get sent to their deaths based on speculation.

Starbirth
And I should do this under 'your' asurance that Iraq has know wmd and has complied to the un mandates? Fancy that Hans Blix can not insure that and even states he believes the iraqies have not accepted disarmerment and are not being completely forth coming.
however Neugen Amoeba can all the way from his cozy home in the UK.

"And I should do this under 'your' asurance that Iraq has know wmd and has complied to the un mandates? Fancy that Hans Blix can not insure that and even states he believes the iraqies have not accepted disarmerment and are not being completely forth coming.
however Neugen Amoeba can all the way from his cozy home in the UK."


Your paranoia amazes me. Ok, for the sake of argument, I'll accept that Saddam has *some* wmd. Now does he have enough to be a threat to the US? And does he have a delivery system to be a threat to *you* sitting in your cozy home in Connecticut starbirth? Do you really feel that threatenned to risk the lives of soldiers and civilians alike? And if that threat is removed after all those casualties, do you think you could breathe easy or will it be replaced by the new threat from North Korea and Iran?

I don't get it, was that an imaginary conversation or a quote? Heh, anyway, peace.

And how sad that 'peace' has become seen as always ironic. But hey, I'd just like to give support to the comically lateral solution of offering the Iraqi people the same amount of money we'd have spent on war to become a peaceful democracy. Who disagrees that this would be better?

"Amoeba you portray a belief in peace. Aurgue against war and killing people. However when someone on a message board designed to discuss ideas and different points of views does not agree with your opinions you brutally attack them. Your above words articulate a propensity for voilence on your part. Leading me to quetion your real agenda. I was Joking when I asked asked if I should address you as Nevile Chamberlin how ever maybe I was not off mark."


You were never on the mark. The person you are referring to puts the price on his standard of living in civilain lives. As such, he deserves no respect and will get none from me.

*"[I]t is possible to turn to biological attack, where a small can, not bigger than the size of a hand, can be used to release viruses that affect everything..."
Babil, September 20, 2001 (State-controlled newspaper)*

Saddams own words, wonder why the US thinks him a threat?

"[O]ur striking arm will reach [America, Britain and Saudi Arabia] before they know what hit them."
Al-Qadisiyah, October 6, 1994 (State-controlled newspaper)

Saddams own words, wonder why the US thinks him a threat?
After all he was probally only kidding.

I've still never seen you provide a link. Then again you have admitted to being a lia on this thread.

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Starbirth
And I should do this under 'your' asurance that Iraq has know wmd and has complied to the un mandates? Fancy that Hans Blix can not insure that and even states he believes the iraqies have not accepted disarmerment and are not being completely forth coming.

Israel has WMDs and it also ignores UN resolutions.

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"Waste from sewage plants could be transformed into clean hydrogen fuel with high efficiency using new processing technology devised in Europe."

April last year
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992230

Starbirth you crippled any credibility you may have once had by lying obvioulsy and outragously on this thread not so long ago. Please stop embarrasing yourself. Your latest unlinked pathetic attempt;

"[O]ur striking arm will reach [America, Britain and Saudi Arabia] before they know what hit them."
Al-Qadisiyah, October 6, 1994 (State-controlled newspaper)"

Purports to be a quote from Saddam Hussein. Congratulations on finding direct evidence that Iraq intends to attack America, Britain and Saudi Arabia. Perhaps you'd like to pass it on to someone in your government? It appears to be precisely the kind of thing they have spent millions of taxpayers dollars looking for. It's a terrible shame they didn't find it before. On the other hand, it *is* a nine year old threat so perhaps, and goodness only knows why, those silly-billies aren't taking it seriously. Perhaps they should come round to your house for tea and sedatives.

birth,it did seem to me that you were implying that the Iraqis did not have a right to defend their own country...
BTW, we had spies from the French DGSE blow up the Rainbow Warrior in Auckland Harbour in 1985. Les Grenouilles are not so easily dealt as all that, so Sheriff Billy Bob and his cousin Leroy might have a mite harder time than they suppose..

"*"[I]t is possible to turn to biological attack, where a small can, not bigger than the size of a hand, can be used to release viruses that affect everything..."
Babil, September 20, 2001 (State-controlled newspaper)*

Saddams own words, wonder why the US thinks him a threat?

"[O]ur striking arm will reach [America, Britain and Saudi Arabia] before they know what hit them."
Al-Qadisiyah, October 6, 1994 (State-controlled newspaper)

Saddams own words, wonder why the US thinks him a threat?
After all he was probally only kidding."



Saddam also said that Iraq is a strong a prosperous county and has also used language that places him as God's executive on earth. Last time I saw footage of him, he was not walking on water. The fact is, he says a lot of crap. So I don't see you believing him to be God's executive, but yet you believe the other things he says? And what's more, your support for war is based on a possibility that out of all the crap that he said, this piece of potential crap could be true. Wouldn't you prefer to make sure that it is true and not just another piece of crap before supporting a war?

>> I read just recently that wealthy businessmen in Iraq fund Al-Queda, including, rumor has it, Saddam himself. I'm going to go home (yes, I'm at work... shhhhhhh...) and find that article and come back tomorrow and summarize it.<<
It sounds verra interesting, Lentilla! But my question is - how reliable is the information? There was an American poll published in a magazine here last week, that showed that a frighteningly huge number of Americans think that *all* of the Sept 11th hijackers were Iraqi, when in fact, *none* of them were! A member of my family says it's like the book '1984', where history is re-written to serve the needs of the present.

You're right about the Israel comment!

I think that Starbirth was trying to say that Saddam has used language indicating that he is willing to use deadly force against his enemies.

Incidentally, a great many people here have (rightly) lambasted the US for selling Iraq chemical weapons in the 1980s. Have any of you considered that the reason the US is so *sure* that Iraq has these weapons is that a previous US administration (and other country's) sold him WMD's and are witholding the "evidence" they have since it would place them in an awkward position?

"Israel has WMDs and it also ignores UN resolutions."

Interesting you should say that. It's a well-known fact that Israel has nuclear weapons, this despite no *evidence* and the fact that Israel strongly denies their existance. All we have to go on is the hearsay of dissidents. I'd imagine the "evidence" or Iraqi WMD's is similarly "vague". Why believe absolutely in Israel's "secret weapons" but not Iraqs?

Geoff, it's unwise to pontificate on the basis of propaganda! If you read the backlog, you'll find that despire Zagreb's peevish insistence on its truth, the story that Saddam Hussein is siphoning off billions and getting rich off the oil for food $$ has been well exploded!





Della the Dastardly Pacifist.