A Conversation for 'Gladiator' - the Film

Gladiator and History

Post 41

Swiv (decrepit postgrad)

It happens - but not to my entries. They are not that factually exciting smiley - smiley
I'm far too careful


Gladiator and History

Post 42

Will Jenkins (Dead)

and there was me thinking it was a reflection on my character


Gladiator and History

Post 43

Lipsbury Pinfold (Part-time Timelord)

Whatever it is - keep doing it! smiley - bigeyes


Gladiator and History

Post 44

Cloviscat

OOOOooops!

Got carried away on a different computer: wrong Login.

Whatever Lipsbury Pinfold is, he's NOT a voyeur!

better repost that as myself:

Whatever it is - keep doing it! smiley - bigeyes


Gladiator and History

Post 45

Lipsbury Pinfold (Part-time Timelord)

Can I add my apologies for any confusion caused by my inadvertent possesion!

There is obviously something surreal about this particular thread, but it does make entertaining reading.

I feel honour bound to contribute now but have very little to say.

The Everyman Encyclopedia (not necessarily the worlds most definitive historical source) says that Commodus faught as a gladiator in the gladitorial shows on numerous occasions and was eventually poisoned by his mistress Marcia and then strangled by a wrestler and acrobat named Narcissus

(perhaps Narcissus wasnt a cool enough name for Hollywood - I sort of imagine him as looking more like Hulk Hogan ... smiley - bigeyes


Gladiator and History

Post 46

Will Jenkins (Dead)

I'll have no mention of Hulk Hogan after Kinky.


Gladiator and History

Post 47

Lipsbury Pinfold (Part-time Timelord)

I couldn't possibly comment - I might get sued for defamation of character smiley - smiley

* thinks - why couldn't I have picked someone innocuous like Big Daddy *


Gladiator and History

Post 48

Fruitbat (Eric the)

My take on the dream sequence/cornfields bit is that every time a soldier, especially in that time and place, went into battle there's a good chance he'd be killed; later in the film Max talks about being ready to die and smiling as he goes...at which point the visions become clearer and closer together.....aside from an annoying bit of foreshadowing, an effective enough technique to convey the whole idea of being at peace with the idea of entering the 'next world' while still in this one.....

I, too, was troubled by how far he was able to ride on a single horse, in what appeared to be a couple of days.....and how he somehow fetched up in North Africa....

.....this is beginning to feel like every time a well-made film comes out that has something to say about personal commitment and integrity it's often dressed up in a rather silly envelope: both Gladiator and Patriot suffered this one.....and I liked Gladiator more than Patriot.....

.....a well-made epic (my idea of an epic is one where there's a personal story amidst a huge social change-story, and telling of it is skilfully executed) is hard to come by these days so I grab them where I can....although I tend to hold them rather loosely when I do....

Fruitbat


Gladiator and History

Post 49

Lipsbury Pinfold (Part-time Timelord)

(please shout me down if I'm spouting rubbish)

The problem I have with history v storytelling is that History isn't usually neat enough. You can either do long boring films or good stories but its difficult to achieve both. The results are often a bit flaky.

I'll probably get slammed for this but I didn't think Gladiator was any more or less flaky overall than Sparticus or Ben Hur.

I'll stick up for the horse ride it is in the epic tradition - but the dream sequences were a bit corny.

(probably already said too much for a visitor - I'll leave quietly smiley - smiley)


Gladiator and History

Post 50

Mustapha

You've read my mind (or my review) Eric! I thought the dream device was similar to the beginning and end of American Beauty: Lester/Max is already dead, he just doesn't know it yet.


Gladiator and History

Post 51

Cheerful Dragon

One of my many 'favourite' quotes is, 'Truth *is* stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense.' Wish I could remember who said it.


Gladiator and History

Post 52

Mustapha

The closest I can come up with is Byron:

"'Tis strange - but true; for truth is always strange;
Stranger but fiction."

But that's probably not who you're thinking of, truth be told...


Gladiator and History

Post 53

Swiv (decrepit postgrad)

And if you're right does that make it fiction ?


Gladiator and History

Post 54

Will Jenkins (Dead)

smiley - winkeye


Gladiator and History

Post 55

Cheerful Dragon

Byron is probably the source of the original, 'Truth is stranger than fiction'. The quote I'm thinking of explains *why* truth is stranger than fiction. I've checked my Oxford Dictionary of Quotations and it's not in there, but the book is about 15 years old. Maybe I should get a new one.


Gladiator and History

Post 56

Swiv (decrepit postgrad)

Our copy is even older - I don't think it's even heard of Margaret Thatcher smiley - smiley


Gladiator and History

Post 57

Mustapha

I'm sure there are many who would find that fiction more appealing than the truth. smiley - smiley


Gladiator and History

Post 58

Will Jenkins (Dead)

Probably me! You have to admit at least that the film was better than The Mummy!smiley - winkeye


Gladiator and History

Post 59

Lipsbury Pinfold (Part-time Timelord)

Apart from being overly squishy I thought The Mummy was good fun - sort of a bored on a saturday afternoon entertainment.

There should be a name for what would be 'pulp fiction' if it was a book - any thoughts?


Gladiator and History

Post 60

Swiv (decrepit postgrad)

mills and boons - as sappy as it gets smiley - smiley

or perhaps elmore leonard would like to be


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