A Conversation for Mormonism - A Question and Answer Session
The Same Jesus?
Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor Posted Aug 28, 2002
Am I expected to know his daily habits, being the perfect human and all? Of corse he still has it, it is still him, and when he comes again, he will come down out of heaven in it...
The Same Jesus?
Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor Posted Aug 28, 2002
Oh, and Jesus IS GOD, he is just the human manifestation, he is the perfect body! He is the son of man, as he was brought into this world as a man, he is also the SON of GOD.
I suggest not trying to understand everything there is, as our brains, deteriorated to where they are, are not up to the standards they once where...
The Same Jesus?
Researcher 192341 Posted Aug 28, 2002
Col. 3: 1
1 IF ye then be arisen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Acts 7: 55
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
...clearly a distinction between Jesus and Heavenly Father - ie two seperate beings.
The Same Jesus?
Meis Geghra Posted Aug 28, 2002
I feel I shouldn't be telling you this, but here goes. His dad has a body too. That's why he is able to sit at his dad's right hand.
The Same Jesus?
alji's Posted Aug 28, 2002
As I said before 'Christianity would have died out after the first generation if people had followed the teaching of Paul. He wanted all men to stay unmarried and have nothing to do with women'.
1 Corinthians 7:29
But I say this, my brothers, the time is short; and from now it will be wise for those who have wives to be as if they had them not;
Alji (Member of The Guild of Wizards @ U197895)
The Same Jesus?
Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor Posted Aug 29, 2002
John 10 v 27-31
My sheep hear my voice, and I know then and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Are you trying to stone Jesus for what he said QUITE clearly right here?
The Same Jesus?
Researcher 192341 Posted Aug 29, 2002
In Gethsemane Jesus prayed to His Father io Heaven (a seperate being - He was not praying to Himself!) He said "Father take this cup from me, Nevertheless not MY will, but THY will be done." Again clearly this shows that they are seperate being with independent wills.
However they are ONE in unity and purpose.
Rom. 15: 6
6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Peter is counselling the congregration to be of One Mind and One mouth - in exactly the same way as Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ are "One". Incidentally, just for good measure Paul even heere distinguishes between Heavenly Father & Jesus Christ as two distinct beings.
The Same Jesus?
Researcher 192341 Posted Aug 29, 2002
In 1 Cor 7, Paul is specifically addressing men who are called on Missions, and whether they should be married. He is answering a question that has been asked of him.
THE FIRST EPISTLE OF PAUL THE APOSTLE TO THE
CORINTHIANS
CHAPTER 7
1 NOW concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
It is the person asking Paul the question that stated "It is good for a man not to touch a woman." Paul is merely restating the question before giving his answer.
The Same Jesus?
Uncle Jim Posted Jan 22, 2003
A few? Who? I want names, book titles, publishers etc. The only one I'm aware of is Orson Scott Card who is both unapologetically Mormon and a great Science Fiction writer. I know he has one series of books that take their plot directly from the Book of Mormon but the one of that series I read wasn't very good. Most of the rest of his work seems to be taken from incidents in his own life - particularly the tragic illness and death of his son - or his very twisted imagination (see Maps in a Mirror, where he gives explanations for the inspiration behind many of his short stories). I don't think any of the Ender's Game series are related to Mormonism in any way (unless it's too subtle for me to see).
The Same Jesus?
Misticx Posted Jan 21, 2004
Jesus didn't teach in 'homes' because it was his choice. He did so because of the danger that he was in. He was a teacher, he went to the temple, he drove the moneychangers 'out of His Father's house'- the temple. He attended the synagogue. He was raised a jew in the Jewish faith (Hebrew) and would have not departed. He didn't abandon the Jewish faith and would have remained a teacher and a savior withing "his Father's house". It was he who was abandoned and driven and murdered and renounced by the larger Jewish community. He said he had come only to the House of Israel and no one else.
Just as Martin Luther would not have left the Catholic Church, attempting first to reform it from within before he was booted out.
There is a vast amount of recorded history to support these views..including the Bible itself. Christ would not have gone to the trouble to organize and set up and 'call' people to service in an organized fashion, appoint & ordain them, etc if he didn't expect and desire the organization to prevail. He knew his ultimate earthly fate when he conducted these appointments and callings. He 'called' Paul 'personally' after his death to send him to the gentiles..
Before making so many off the wall statements concerning what Christ believed, one should study what Christ actually did..It is very revealing.
The Same Jesus?
Misticx Posted Jan 21, 2004
You are very smart and if you are just 16, as you claim, you will do well in life. I can't say I agree with all you say, but I have no doubt you will eventually get it all sorted out and will come to as good of understanding - as humanly possible - of our 'purpose' in life. We are all ever-learning and forever falling short of His glory, and will forever be amazed by the 'Truth' when we discover it (small truths for now) and greater things to come. Keep searching and challenging and seeking and praying...and remain humble....and never forget ‘man’s wisdom' is foolishness to God.
The Same Jesus?
dataspesialist Posted Jan 24, 2004
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints 13 articles of Faith
1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in his Son, Jesus Christ, and in hte Holy Ghost.
2. We believe men will be punished for their own sins, and not for adam's transgression.
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, baptism by imersion for the remission of sins; fourth, laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophexy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6. We beleive in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophesy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8. We beleive the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the Word of God.
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American Continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the Earth; and that the Earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same priveledge, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul - We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praisworthy, we seek after these things.
Allright, these are our beliefs. Now... we'd like to know what yours are, so please, write something to tell us. If you would like me to go into a little more depth than the basics, just let me know, and I will tell you a little bit more in modern english and from my beliefs (which are the same as all members of the church).
PSALM 14
1 THE fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
For LDS scriptures (With Cross References and etc.) go to scriptures.lds.org.
Cheers!
The Same Jesus?
Dudeyone Posted Jun 4, 2004
Utter Rubbish! I have been a Mormon all my life! Nowhere in Mormon theology does it even suggest that Jesus Christ was ever sinner!
Either you are not being honest or you have been misinformed. I shall assume the latter!
Further more LDS theology does not teach that Christ was married. In fact all of the theories that I have read on this matter are non Mormon. There are plenty of books to read on this, go look! As for Mormonism it offers no position on Christ's marital status.
The Mormon church has never made any official statement on the conception of Jesus, other than that taught in the New Testement.That i by the gift and power of God.
What do you mean by created? I don't understand! He was born in the same way that you and I are born. Is that what you mean by created? If so, then I guess that he was created in that he experienced birth in Bethlehem.
He evolves? In what way? I do not understand.
I accept that Mormonism does not teach the traditional doctrine of the trinity, and for good reason. It isn't biblical!
Show me a passage in the bible where it says that they are one flesh? OK it says that father, son and Holy Ghost are 'one' but there are many ways in which a group of individuals can be one. The Bible teaches that man and wife are to be 'one flesh' that doesn't mean that my wife and I are one person. we are still individual. It does mean that we have a common purpose, as does the trinity.
Consider the baptism of Christ! We have Jesus being baptised, the Holy Spirit descending in the form of a dove and God the father speaking FROM HEAVEN.
Consider John 17: John 17:20
20 ¶ Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Now Jeus is praying for the church. He prays that the church MAY BE ONE as he and his father ARE ONE. Is he suggesting that the church come together as one fleshy whole or is he suggesting that they come together and become one in purpose and organisation.
I am an honest man. The person, as I say, who contributed the utter claptrap above is either dishonest or ill informed. If you are going to enter into a debate about this. First know what you are talking about.
Mormons are Christians. the first article of faith of the church is:
We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
Need I say more? Mormons read the Holy Bible, celebrate Christmas, easter, eat chocolate eggs, put up Christmas trees and sing Hark the Herald Angels sing. They are, for the most part, law abiding citizens, seek to contribute positively towards a better society and make fantastic neighbours.
mormons believe that is only through the Lord Jesus Christ (who was sinless and is God the creator)that humankind can be saved. We believe that he was crucified, laid in a tomb and on the 3rd day rose again.
This belief and confession, according to main stream Christianity, qualifies Mormons for salvation! We are saved!
So you worship God as you wish and I shall do the same. But I will not tolerate the blatant nonsense expressed above.
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The Same Jesus?
- 101: Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor (Aug 28, 2002)
- 102: Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor (Aug 28, 2002)
- 103: Researcher 192341 (Aug 28, 2002)
- 104: Meis Geghra (Aug 28, 2002)
- 105: alji's (Aug 28, 2002)
- 106: Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor (Aug 29, 2002)
- 107: Researcher 192341 (Aug 29, 2002)
- 108: Researcher 192341 (Aug 29, 2002)
- 109: Uncle Jim (Jan 22, 2003)
- 110: Misticx (Jan 21, 2004)
- 111: Misticx (Jan 21, 2004)
- 112: dataspesialist (Jan 24, 2004)
- 113: Dudeyone (Jun 4, 2004)
- 114: Dudeyone (Jun 4, 2004)
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