h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

But do you believe in the right Jesus?

"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and the thoughts of his heart were evil continually"

The Father the Son AND the Holy Ghost are one...

"There are Three that bear record in hevan The Father The Son and The Holy Ghost and these three are one."

If God created all he would decide what is right and wrong, and since Jesus is Lord, God who created all, Jesus did not need to learn RIGHT FROM WRONG, HE KNOWS!!! He was tempted because satan was trying to get him to not die on the cross and share the earth with him... but The earth is GODS, so no matter what Jesus did, the earth would forever be GODS.

For nearly all of us - our actual religion is most probably an inheritance from your parents. Hating other people, or assuming that they are wrong (evil?) because their parents were taught something different is the only truly false religion. Sadly, all too many of the contributors to this conversation seem to follow this false religion.

The most important things about the many "true" religions are the things they have in common. The real differences between these religions are mostly either (usually harmless) echoes of the culture of the followers of the religion concerned, utterly inconsequential, or else honest mistakes (for which our Heavenly Father is, I suspect, quite prepared to forgive us).

There is one GOD. Different faiths may have all kinds of name for HIM, and believe all kinds of things about HIM. Some, perhaps all, of these different beliefs may have some kind or degree of truth in them, but they are all short of the absolute truth about GOD because that is beyond our comprehension. If HE were not HE would hardly be worth worth our worship.

GOD wants us to try to be better people - and to treat other people as we would like them to treat us. All "true" religions teach something like this.

If you believe these two things then I think GOD will forgive you for being a Mormon, in fact I doubt if he seriously cares one way or the other - even if, as has been objectively been proven many times, Joseph Smith and Bringham Young WERE basically lying rogues, and the Book of Mormon IS a meaningless mixture of quotes from the Bible, Shakepeare etc. combined with a synopsis of a novel published in the 1820s. (To summarise the real case for "anti-mormonism").

The most important things about religion are the things they have in common. The real differences between religions are mostly either utterly inconsequential, or else honest mistakes (for which our Heavenly Father is, I suspect, quite prepared to forgive us).

I believe there is one GOD. Different faiths may have all kinds of name for HIM, and believe all kinds of things about HIM. Some, perhaps all, of these different beliefs may have some kind or degree of truth in them, but they are all short of the absolute truth about GOD because that is beyond our comprehension. If HE were not HE would hardly be worth worth our worship.

I believe that GOD wants us to try to be better people - and to treat other people as we would like them to treat us. All religions teach something like this.

If you believe these two things then I think GOD will forgive you for being a Mormon (or any other religion) in fact I doubt if he seriously cares one way or the other.

What I am trying to get at is that a religion that believes that Jesus was pretty much just a porn star is blasphamy...

You can work yourself into a state about a lot of Mormon beliefs if you want to - like the racist angle - I could never accept Mormon racism, myself. MY point is that I very much doubt GOD can be that bothered - the very best, most rational religious beliefs must look awfully crude, dogmatic and empty compared with the truth as HE sees it!! Knowing this, we can be a little more humble, even about a basically pretty repulsive religion like Mormonism - you don't have to accept it (GOD forbid!) but at least you can let them get on with whatever good they might get up to, and accept that if you and I will be forgiven for our doctrinal mistakes, so will they be!

The fact that they pervert his word is why...

Very odd viewpoint - You must have been very mis-informed!

My posting may seem a bit unfitting considering the types of conversations going on in here. However, I see it fit too make a couple of points. First of all, I AM LDS. I love my religion I practice my religion. And most of all, I believe thoroughly with all of my heart that it is true. Because of my strong belief, I see no point in boisterously proclaiming my opinions and beliefs in other people's faces. I don't see the point in purposely trying to go out of my way to purposefully tear down others' beliefs. Every human being is entitled to happiness. In fact, ANY Christian should realize that it is against Christ's teachings to rant and rave and argue with somebody about the faults of his or her religion. It isn't right to tear sombody else's beliefs down just to feel good about your own. If any of you truly believe in your religion you shouldn't feel the need to always be shoving your opinions in others' faces. If you truly believe that you are right, then who cares what others say about your beliefs? Now, I think that it is acceptable to dispel damaging misconceptions about your church/beliefs in a PEACEFUL way. However, don't go out of your way to tear people down just to feel the rush of the arguement. I hope that this post ends the arguements, if not, I'm going to wonder if any of you truly follow Christ and honor his teachings.

Because if your religion is based on Science Fiction somthing must be wrong...

I agree with your statement.

By the way, I am LDS and my religion is based on faith, testing the principles, receiving spiritual confirmation and on my own spiritual and religious experiences.

A few of the greatest Science Fiction writers are Mormons, and they get all their stories from The Book of mormon. Hmm... Interesting...

Would not know, frankly.

They may have got some inspiration from Book of Mormon Stories (in the same way as "The Forbidden Planet" was inspired by Shakespeare's "The Tempest")

Personally I've never come across any Sci-fi in the multitude of times I've read the Book of Mormon.

I suggest that before any of you attack the LDS religion again, or any other religion for that matter, that you actually do your research. It is a law of logic that if you want to have a strong arguement you have to have the data/proof to back it up. Do you have any proof whatsoever that the Book of Mormon is a science fiction? No, you don't. All of the arguements that you are presenting are debased, over-circulated rumors that have no arguemental strength in the slightest. If you can viably proove that the Book of Mormon is a science fiction or a fantastical creation then and only then do you have an arguement. Until then you are left in the darkness. I suggest that if you want proof that our religion's book is a true record then you should READ IT. Otherwise, are you going to trust the rumors of a riotous, jealous group bent on destroying something good and innocent, or are you going to trust in the writings of a book whose pages do nothing but fortify and strengthen the testimony that Jesus is the Christ. Might I add that the Book of Mormon in no way contradicts what is written in the Bible.

TWM

"Adam fell but he fell in the right direction... toward the goal... he fell upward." Hmm sounds interesting, like Mormans embrace lucifer's promise that we will be as gods.

Anyway... we may not know what our purpose in life is, but I think that we should all just get along, forget about the past and carry on... We should all strive to love one another, as I love all of you, it hurts me when people refuse to accept that GOD loves them and just want them to accept that he created all, and love him back, I look at everthing every day and think about how awsome it is that GOD created it!

That is exactly what we have been trying to tell you, we DO know what the purpose of life is:

To develop faith in our Saviour, be obedient to the commandments and in so doing strive to live our lives in a Christ-like way - to learn what we need to learn, and live so that we can return to the presence of our Heavenly Father.

As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I've just got to say that your "Mormon View of Jesus" left me just about speechless. It is so far off-base as to be absolutely laughable to anyone who really knows anything at all about our doctrines. It would be interesting to note how many times you've ever set foot in a "Mormon" Church. I attend church for three hours every Sunday and have done so for nearly 54 years. And here you attempt to pass yourself off as some kind of authority on what I believe! As to whether or not we worship the "same Jesus"... I worship Jesus of Nazareth, Son of God, born of the Virgin Mary. He lived a sinless life and loved each one of us enough to give His life in an atoning sacrifice for our sins. If this is not the same Jesus as the one you believe in, then it's you and not me who's got a problem. I welcome honest inquiries about my faith, and am always willing to respond to specific question. But to even reply to this kind of nonsense? It makes me wonder why I even bothered. I guess I won't in the future.

Hi, Rsearcher. I'm LDS, too, and this is my first visit to this board. I sort of think it will be my last. But before I sign off, I just want to make one comment. It seems to me that there are an awful lot of people on this board who have nothing intelligent to say. They try to pass themselves off as experts on something they know virtually nothing about, and have the audacity to tell those of us who are members of the Church what it is we believe! I really enjoy participating on message boards, and I get a lot of satisfaction from correcting misunderstandings and misinformation. I'm not even particularly interested in convincing anyone that what I believe is right. I just want them to know what I do believe instead of what somebody else says I believe! However, it seems that on this particular board, no one really cares about getting accurate information. All they want to do is insult and ridicule people who don't believe as they do. Sadly, most of them call themselves Christians. If I were you, I really wouldn't waste my time here. There are people out there who DO want to listen to what you have to say. Why not focus on them?

Pyrex. I found your observations on the Mormon temples fascinating! Would you mind describing the "gross evil" you saw there? (I assume you were actually in a Mormon temple and that your knowledge of these things is first-hand.) Would they be anything like the "gross evil" which filled the temples of ancient times? Wow!

I'm curious about one more thing: Suppose someone who had never heard of Jesus Christ died -- someone in a remote village in Communist China, for instance... Since it's impossible to believe in someone or something you've never heard of, what's going to happen to these people. I'm relying on you for some good, solid information, as you do appear to have a lot of knowledge on these things.

Belive in the GRACE of GOD, it is shown in everything, from the Apple, to the Sand dollar, everywhere, THIS couldent JUST happen! I know that no REAL scientist can truly believe that we evolved... The human mind is just to small to understand anything really, so we busy ourselves with things WE think important, THAT is where religion, Terrorism, Politics, and Hatred come from, it is Human nature, We are all Bigots, and I am NOT saying I am better than anyone, What I believe I believe, But I think that GOD said it best, "Wherever two are gathered togeather There am I in the midst"



AKA WHO CARES ANYMORE

About the men becoming gods thing: before you start talking about things that you haven't the slightest idea over, go to my personal space and read my one and only journal entry. it just so happens that that is the only topic that I have written about in there so far. Just search and find my article. It is titled "Men Becoming Gods." I encourage you to read it."

Okay, people let's end this arguement and start a discussion where we are peacefully exchanging ideas. Really if you think about it, after you type up a heated letter, you feel good and pumped up and proud. You think that no matter what they believe they have to accept this arguement. But really, the person on the receiving end of the letter just gets mad and you find that the person who wrote the letter didn't gain any ground, but that he actually lost some. So, I propose that if we want to continue posting messages on this subject that we calm down and think. Let's be free and conscious thinkers. Let's strive to get ideas circulating. And if one of us has a different view on one subject, instead of shooting the idea down and trampling it in the mud I suggest that we discuss that different opinion and through out some of our own opinions. I think that this is a good way to learn and grow and to further our love for one another. I have a scripture that I'm going to close with that I believe supports my idea.

1. ....neither shall there be DISPUTATIONS among you concerning the points of my doctrine, as there hitherto have been.
For, verily, verily I say unto you he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another. (3 Nephi 11:28-29)