h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Being cool with both bodily scratching a gaseous emmisions helps too

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That would make Hoo a girl then . I am not allowed but he is .

Alcohol? Not sure if that's something I should aim for....

Not changing toilet roll - check.

Guy Gibson's dog was called Nigger. Or were you joking Alf? He was not D. Bader's dog. How many times have I seen Dambusters?

Re: Guy Gibson's dog.

Rhymes with Bigger. Begins with an N.

Oh, the wonderful thing about tiggers
Is tiggers are wonderful things.
Their head are made outa rubber.
Their bottoms are made outa springs
They're bouncy bouncy bouncy bouncy fun fun fun fun fun
But the most wonderful thing about tiggers
Is I'm the only one.

Ay theng yo.

H.

Yes, KA is *definitely* there in the drinking stakes.

She can keep up with me, and then pass me by on the home straight. And with my prodigious thirst, that is saying something

*bows*

Everybody's gotta be good at summat

Nice one Ice. You are a star!

Let's see if post 22 gets for being historical correct and yet politically incorrect.

It's amazing how old Guy Gibson must have been in the 1940's esp. when he was around during the time of Robin Hood - wow.

My uncle had a black lab called Kafir. Just so he could stand in the park and shout 'come here kafir, you black bxstxrd'.

Hey Alf..
Were you trying to get me to say it so that it would get yikesed??
Cheeky

Tigger? Ooooh Deja vu deja vu...............back to being 18.....

Back to the original subject, I think someone's done a sweep for the word in question, as a post of mine from a few weeks back got modded too:

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Well, someone anyway. There have been a few Randoms Acts Of Moderation recently and I would say if it does get yikesed or *****'ed then it is historical censorship and treating the users of the site like uneducated, people who have no realistic perspective on the use of certain words in certain situations.

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Ooo, Ooo, Tigger!! I have 'Tigger and the Windy Day' on record with the book insert so you can read along to the narration

"Well, narrate me down from here!!!!"

Whilst I appreciate that moderation works in isolation and not on a contextual basis, I wonder what would happen if say two researchers who were say black hip hop artists referred to each other as the word in question?

In terms of the context the two would not be using the word in an offensive context however some people may well still take offence. A good pal of mine who is black does not like it even in the context of two black people using it toward one another.

I think it would bwe interesting to see what the moderators would do in such a situation.

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Sounds like your pal understands what the word means when non-black people use the word towards black people and he does not like the hypocrisy involved in it being used between two black people who would probably be incredibly offended if a non-black person were to use it towards them.

I presume?

I imagine they would treat it in the same way as 'F--- me, 'ow are you doing, you old c---!' - ie the two putative gangstas would be free to address each other thusly in their own space, but not here.

With the Guy Gibson thing...I guess there was a certain element of 'O Tempora, O Mores' (I'd like another deep-fried Japanese snack???) - lots og dogs were given that name, especially black labradors. But, post 60's we have been dragged kicking and screaming towards enlightenment, so there's little excuse. And the uncle who named his dog 'kafir' should have been thoroughly ashamed.

Err, the chap in question was 89 when he died last year, and we're talking about a dog he had in his 40s.

Well...speak not ill of the dead and all that...but my understanding was that 'Kafir' was never considered a polite way to address black people, even in Southern Africa.

But I will gladly stand corrected if this is untrue.

(Interestingly - but I'm not implying relevantly - it was originally from the Arabic for 'slave')

I don't reckon n****r was ever 'polite', either. And we are talking about the 1950s here, when signs saying 'no Irish, no tinkers, no coloureds' were a common sight in B&B windows.
I must admit though, I know why he did it- he thought the shocked stares were funny, especially when people saw the dog come bounding up. I inherited my sense of humour from him I think, and I know he liked to shock.

I think there was a subtle difference. The n-word was once (mistakenly) seen as a generic word for a black-skinned person and, in Britain, was perhaps intended less perjoratively than in the southern US. Hence 'The N-word of the Narcisssus' (Conrad) - or paint boxes which contained 'N-word brown'.

But this was, as I said, pre our enforced enlightenment.

'Kafir' was, on the other hand, the word that would have been used by someone experienced at landing blows on African servants. It wasn't in wide use except by those who had experienced Southern Africa - and who therefore knew of its connotations.

I'm not saying that your Uncle was necessarily a demon - simply that it wasn't big or clever.

"Sounds like your pal understands what the word means when non-black people use the word towards black people and he does not like the hypocrisy involved in it being used between two black people who would probably be incredibly offended if a non-black person were to use it towards them."

Yeah something like that, he works for the REC so it is hardly surprising. However one of the things he says is that in the larger Afro-Caribbean community the usage is still frowned upon. It is only because the subsection of the black population who use it frequently are talked about in the press (rappers and young black men) that people generally think black people use the word routinely. He says they dont.

Hi Alfsterical,
The scores of times the 'Dambusters' has been repeated on TV, and you can't recall the name of Guy Gibson's BLACK Labrador. I am not going to give it to you directly, because it is Non PC now, to do so; but it rhymes with Nicker and refers to the lovely beasts Colour. 'Hey what old boy', can I have your eggs and bacon if you buy it tonight?' (i.e. If he doesn't return from a raid). And may God rest all their brave souls. We still speak English and walk free because of their sacrifice.

Sincerely
Ronbloggs

Oh hi everyone - just realized you were all here having fun without me!

Just wanted to say that I agree with Edward that the C-word should be re-instated as a harmless and even affectionate term.

In Spain the C-word is 'coño' and it actually is often used in many ways, none of them deemed offensive. It can be used when expressing surprise, as in - 'coño! I never knew that!' I've even heard parents say to their kids - 'coño! Don't do that!' Kind of similar here to saying 'oh darn' or 'heck'. But it is also used as a term of affection at times. Curiously, unlike in English, you would never (in Spanish) call someone a 'Coño!' and have that mean anything nasty.

I also don't like the word 'pussy' much, for the same reasons Edward has stated.

What is wrong with our 'c***s', girls? So that we somehow are made to feel ashamed about calling it what it is?


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