h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

evening psi

Named 1 on cardboard one but not band so doubt it was that. Must be forgetting something.

I had a look at Jank's commments and though I'm not competent to judge things like the consequences of trombone versus bass but I think jank's point about the duo being a more difficult ask may be generally true.

However, I've managed to play both a couple more times, and I still find the duo more interesting. It's not that I don't like the quartet. I do but it's a more conventional format. I don't mean the music but the line up.

I am not really expressing this well but what I am trying to get at is that the listener is in a more comfortable groove with a quartet. This conceals rather than enhances the challenge of the music whereas with the duo it's more in your face which I like.

I checked your site and found an odd coincidence I first got into jazz when I saw 'Jazz on A Summer's Day' in 1960 and I particularly remember the Jimmy Giuffre 3 with Hall and Brookmeyer.

bsy

Bx4,

Looks like the decision is in, so you'll be able to look over your post and see whether you did in fact name the band as well as the track or whether it is something else that you've forgotten.

I hope you get out of premod soon btw.

ttfn.

Hi psi

Bad news: The portable player did not like the 'bobbing about' so I haven't managed to have solid listen yet.

Weird News: On receiving the usual 'peccavis' minatory e-mail, which claimed:

'This decision has been made because it contains personal information, such as a telephone number, postal address or email address. For your own personal privacy, we recommend that you do not post details such as these.'

I replied pointing out that it did not and asked for an explanation. In my absence I, mirabile dictu, received the following reply:

'Hello {deleted},

'Thank you for your email. We removed this posting in error and have now reinstated it. Apologies for any inconvenience.

Kind regards,

h2g2 Feedback'

which was followed by a subsequent e-mail from the dementors saying it had been removed *again* for exactly the same reason

I will continue to pursue this for entertainment value if for nothing else.( I'm advised to rewrite it without the personal information - perhaps a separate post.

Good News (for me at least): The extended 'bobbing about' included visits to the 'Malt Islands' so stocks have been replenished. I even visited Kilchoman to see how my 'futures' case is coming along.

Durance Vile: I expect no immediate remission. One poster as been in D.V. for over a year and mea peccamen may have been worse.

Hi psi.

Herewith the sanitised version (I hope)

//hi psi

The SO and I have 'Festival Fatigue', she because she's been at it for the full three weeks, me more because I am suffering from post 'Pirsig Run' withdrawal so we are having a quiet night in.

The left: Yes I had worked it out from the sleeve of '{Second word of title of the plastic one}' hence my 'got it wrong' I had imagined you to be your late twenties and you look almost as grizzled as me (we share a hairstyle)

(interlinear: Surely not that!)

Constructive criticism: Do not expect too much - my musical tastes have been described (kindly ) as 'eclectic' and (unkindly) as 'uninformed and completely random' Both are true, I suspect.

As a result what you'll get from me is mostly useless and almost certainly erroneous twitter like "the opening of '{first track on the cardboard one}' reminds me a bit of Charlie Mingus' 'Fables of Faubus'".

I've managed a quick listen to both and (genuinely) liked what I heard but at the moment I'm more drawn to '{title of the cardboard one}' (this may change).

I have conceived a plan to extract at least temporarily my grandaughter's CD player from her (justified I feel as I have just ponied up for one those ipod thingys) so I might manage some listening on the trip home.

People are arriving so there goes the quite night in, a few malts and early bed.
bsy
//

If it was the deleted references that caused the problem then it is quite puzzling that in several posts I referred explicitly to bands, albums and tracks associated with a timpanist of our acquaintance as did he.

bsy

Afternoon psi

I am actually out of durance vile.

Strangely this indirectly a result of the pokied post about which I am having a completely amiable discussion about the 'tenuous' reasons for this withe the h2G2 Feedback Team.

(I am seriously impressed by the fact that h2g2 has a Feedback Team'.

Anyhow, since I was getting an explanation of this I asked a question about my being in pre-mod. Not about the reason for my being in it but rather why some short posts in remained in pre-mod for longer than larger posts.

The h2g2 Feedback Team apparently interceded on my behalf and I have been rehabilitated (subject to good behaviour of course).

I am generally happy about this though being in pre-mod did have the advantage that it was pointless to get involved in 'busy' threads. I notice that the 'murder thread continues to be grumpy.

I have managed a couple of further listens tho the 'Plastic One' (henceforth TPO) and the 'Cardboard One' (henceforth TCO).

I want to listen to both a few more times before I comment though.

bsy

Bx4
It is good news that you are out of premod.

I look forward to any comments you might have.

Faubus has a main interval jump of a minor third at the beginning as does the bass line of my eponymous track but I don't know if that is what you meant.

I have some more info on the reasons for the pulled post. I had not seen it when it was zapped the first time, then it got reinstated.
Because it did name both the band and album title it was googleable straight to me.

So I took the reluctant decision to request that it be removed. The is only the second time I've made such a request with a post, the other was my own post anyway. I apologise for any inconvenience caused to you.

If you are wondering about apparent anomalies regarding jank posting similar material, then I would say that the mods take a different view if you post material about yourself as jank did but if you do it about somebody else without their consent it is a different matter and i think that's fair.

Sorry that should have read 'This is the only time....'.

Oh yes I also meant to say that the murder thread is grumpy but my debate with clearbury has been civilised for some time now so it isn't all bad.

ttfn

Hi psi

Minor third jump: Err...probably if I knew what that meant. Certainly when it heard it(Track 1 CO)I thought 'that sounds like a bit like the start of FoF'.

Not, as I pointed out earlier, much use as critical comment though.

I think this is going to be true of any comment I make. I have no knowledge of musical theory and my reaction to music (except that with understandable lyrics) is very much to the arc of the sound structure and how I respond to that.

What I am trying to says is that I can follow aurally what is going on but I have no clue, or indeed little interest in, how it is achieved.

At the moment, my initial position seems to be holding in that that while I enjoy both I am more likely to listen to the CO.

Perhaps I should follow jank's example with alternate plays of T6,CO and T7, PO

I am quite intrigued by why you opted for that particular lineup with R&B.

googlable: You should have said that you wanted privacy. Oddly it was was the the 'googlability' that resulted in my being less that stringent since I assumed that since you have a public persona on t'interweb thingy......

No inconvenience was caused, I was simply puzzled by the off/on/of sequence. If I had been more au fait with the terminology I would have known that the Feedback Team were getting at when they said the post had been 'Yikesed' the second time.

I suppose it had the benefit getting me out of premod though as I said earlier that's a bit of a curate's egg since it did keep me from getting sucked in quite so much.

I am getting a bit bored by the whole debate between the theistic and non-theistic cognitivists. Particularly the latter's conviction that 'reason and evidence' supports their position.

Murder thread: Not suggesting that you contributed to the grumpiness. Sadly it only takes one persistent supertroll (who should be the permanent HOTNA)to wreck a thread.

bsy

Hi Bx4,

Don't worry I won't persist in responding with analysis couched in terms of music theory. Do let me know how your listening experience beds down though.

The lineup is partly happenstance in that we have played together for a long time in various line ups and these are the instruments we play. The other part is to do with the way we interact and combine musical elements and the duo format without bass and drums means there is a lot of space which we can use in ways that just wouldn't happen in a quartet.

I'm sorry I didn't make it clearer about the privacy issue. I suppose I didn't think you would need an explicit request because you saw what happened with my dialogue with jank.

I don't see a contradiction between having a public presence on the web and not wanting it to be identified with a MB identity by the way, but I can understand in retrospect why you might make such an assumption about my stance on privacy.

We have both seen enough of the theist vs atheist debates to see a few moves ahead in most cases. So I agree it can be a bit dull when people wheel out the same rickety siege engines with the kind of self congratulatory flourish that suggests they think they have a revolutionary and decisive weapon.

Mind you, we never did sort out that anti atheist bias of yours did we?

Morning psi

Avoidance of music theory: A good idea. I have never figured out why at a classical concerts people read scores!

Lineup: Yes I can see that. It is what I was trying to get at earlier when I was talking about the constraints of the more conventional quartet line up

Clearer: I may have missed it but I don't think you said at the time that you had 'yikesed' Jank's post because of the privacy issue. Had I known I would have been more circumspect.

I assumed it was inconsistent moderation.

Contradiction: No indeed: See above

rickety siege engines: Like the analogy - though I would add the 'Quixote effect' where they think they are bombarding castles rather that a stretch of wet sand.

Self-congratulatory: That and their strange passion for ad hominems. Hardly the appropriate tool for 'defenders of reason'.

anti-atheist bias: more properly an anti anti-theist bias.

I will get back to it but since my extended time off-piste and my period in durance vile, I find I am unwilling to commit much time to the BBC boards.

bsy

Bx4,

Why people read scores is probably one of those questions suited to the answer: 'because they can'.

Just to be even clearer and to avoid further misunderstanding, it is not the case that I yikesed jank's posts. Nor yours the first time.
As I said, I should have been clearer and my error was that you would infer from jank's case that perhaps it wasn't the done thing to be quite so specific, regardless of my attitude. That's my fault not yours.

I like your Quixote embellishment there.

Yes, it is a good policy to get on with RL, I think I'm unwilling to spend so much time at this too, I just lack your steely resolve.

psi

'Because they can': I am not convinced. I can stick my hand on a pot of boiling tar' but I don't.

I have this quaint notion that the point of music for the audience (a bit of a giveaway that), though not the 'makar', is that it should be listened to.

btw. I got the SO to listen to both the CO and the PO last night and she's with jank.

Does the quartet still exist?


Yikesed: This gets us back to the different response of the moderators to privacy with respect to references our noted timpanist's bands and yours.

I will have to be content with the FT explanation of 'a grey area' of subjective interpretation by 'third party moderators: So it goes.

fault: No blame.

Quixote embellishment: Pitching 'dead horses' at creationists is not that engaging a sport

Steely resolve: Was much aided by durance vile status. Only time will tell whether 'resistance is futile'.

However, being in my decrepitude time may be short and there is a lot off stuff I want to do, so that's a disincentive to getting sucked in.

The current plan is to limit my self to one or two threads (h2g2)preferably slow ones.

Since I have been sucked into the 'murder' thread I am not sure this will work.

My intention had been to look at blue's last post because while he accepts evolution I am not clear how he gets past 'the man as a special creation thing'.

Not of course restricted to theists, secularists like Dawkins and Rand punt variants of the same theme.

Must confess I always found the 'religious' threads on the defunct today boards more interesting than the R&E

Any how 'steely resolve' engaged. I'm off into 'the World'

bsy

I can imagine how a listener's experience might be enhanced by reading the score. I'm sure it is a personal thing. I don't think I'd do it.

SO is with jank eh? The quartet is still defunct but I'm in the process of extending the duo to a quartet. I'm trying to combine the best of both

On yikesedness the different response of the moderators can be explained by the fact that jank was publicising himself already so any specific response to him was just replying in kind, whereas I didn't do that. Still, water under the bridge now.

Good luck with the steely resolve, I might have helped a bit by not engaging you in the murder thread.

ttfn

Just to clarify the jank point, he was himself being specific in his own posts and I wasn't. I think the moderators would take that into account.

morning gents,

it's been a while but then that's the luxury of this thread i guess, pick it up as and when.... hope you're both well.

jazzology; sad to say that i've managed to "wear out" certain bits of the quartet cd....glad to say that i had already copied to my pc so all's not lost. still completely enamoured with much of that disc.

Les Paul; remember that trussrod issue i had (sorry Bored, cagoule donned briefly)? the good news is that there was no problem with the rod, as confirmed by Gibson who had a looksee. the problem was the local guitar boffin who diagnosed it. apparently he does this almost as a matter of course when dealing with set-ups under warrenty, he just passes the buck without doing the work. he has left that job and moved on..... so i have spent a couple of months now getting to grips with this stunning piece of kit. the tone is awesome, guess as expected from a quality instrument. btw, what gear do you use Psi?

mad drums; (now wearing a slightly different cagoule) i am in the process of flogging a very special drum kit, here's the link, do have a look;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ABB-handmade-steel-drum-kit-extremely-rare-vintage_W0QQitemZ180294975524QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180294975524&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

since i never use it, which is a shamefull waste imo, it's time to sell and buy a Gibson ES335 (hang on, quick change of cagoule....) with the proceeds.....


bye for now,

Evenin' jank
Yeah that comes as no surprise re the truss rod and the local con artist.
Glad you are still enjoying the cd.
I use a Heritage semi-solid and a Fender Esprit and a Taylor electro acoustic. I have a Rivera valve combo, an Orange 2x12 (though that's in Bristol) and a Marshall valvestate head plus cab.

How much are you selling the ES335 for?

Morning all

guitar: Jank No problem with cagoulery. A cunning plan to suck psi in after the failure of the 'sound engineer gambit?

Hadn't realised you were a guitarist manque.

jazzology: I haven't managed to wear either out though I listen to the carboard one more often.

Hearing of your disaster I must make copies.

My problem is that I am not enough of a cagoule to make an intelligent musicological comment on either. Basically I just think that the duo format gets you closer to what's going simply because the quartet format is more conventional as a lineup (not necessarily the oeuvre).

Drums: These are most impressive though I am somewhat puzzled over the logic of acquiring a drum kit that to heavy to take on tour.

Boar hunting spear: I feel I should explain lest you think I am some sort of closet paulinesque hunter manque.

How I ended up on a boar hunt clutching a boar spear was one of mymore surreal 'furrin' experience

It happened just after I first moved to Germany with a minimal grasp of the language.

I was invited to a Masonic (not, never have been, never want to be) dinner which eerily took place in what had been the Hamburg headquarters of the SS.

Anyhow the upshot was that I was invited to what I thought was quite country weekend.

Somewhat surprised to pitch up to something that looked a bit like Goering's Karinhall and realised I was on a hunting weekend (though the 'boar' penny hadn't dropped)

Eventually people rushed about clutching variously guns or spears.
I think the spear was the vindaloo option.

Unfortunately I misunderstood a question , thought my 'Nein Danke' indicated 'Not gun not spear' was actually 'Not gun'

So I ended up in the forest clutching a pointy object on a long stick (the stick had a crossbar to stop the boar, presumably enraged by being poked with the pointy bit running up the stick and tearing your face off).

Anyhow I beat a swift retreat to the 'beer tent' and got drunk. As far as I am aware no boar turned up to get killed.

bis spater.

morning Psi,

gear; must look up those bits and pieces, i also have a Marshall Valvestate but the minimalist 20w option. still sounds awesome though...

es335; wrong end of stick, i would like to buy one but at £1600.00 i need to sell my metal drum kit to create funds. so if you know of any (rich) drum nuts do pass it on. my local shop, hilariously named GAK*, has a few different models but i'm smitten with the standard "dot" version with the slim neck in cherry red. tried one that had just arrived 2 days ago and my oh my, i'm lovin' it.

TTFN



* stands for Guitar Amp and Keyboard centre, and, tour slang for a type of "marching" powders (just in case you didn't know already)

morning Bored,

schizophrenic musician alert; fact is that when it comes to what i'm easily best at it is drums. but i've always played tuned instruments, starting with recorder, through 5 years of piano lessons, finally to drums at age 11. wrote a musical for my class to perform at age 10 (a simple but moving story of Professor Eureka and the buried treasure. just 3 songs as i remember....) then i picked up my sister's classical guitar during my teens and continued to compose. this climaxed in a whole year dedicated to classical guitar, but as you need to grow long fingernails on the plucking hand i found that drums became hard to play....in the end drums won out.

my composing "talents" peaked in the Diskin album, where i finally had willing accomplices, zero label interference, a back catalogue of mad ideas, and a reasonable budget to get the job done. i've also played guitar in little "unplugged" radio/tv sessions with some of my bands, and even "full phat" electric in The Drum lineup on those songs where the singer also played the drums, a real crowd pleaser (for him being on the kit i hasten to add, i could have just as easily gone off to have a snout and a cuppa).

metal drums; yup, does seem daft to buy something quite so impractical. thing is when you see it.....and then hear it.......hooked! i would loved to have toured it, but our level of touring, and hence the crew that you can afford, were always quite rough with the equipment. hence i always used my Pearl DLX on tour and recording. this type of kit was designed by Pearl for "the jazz and session drummer where subtle technique and dynamics can be utilised to their optimum" or summit....if only they knew what it was bestest at!

boar hunting; top story, was giggling all the way through. reminds me of the classic line in the must see movie "Withnail and I"; "We came on holiday by mistake!"............


groetjes

evening Jank

The SO is out on the racket and my friend the 'fundamentalist' minister called off on our weekly chess game so I'm home alone with a pleasant Laphroaig. Perfect!

Excellent winds winds 20-27 knots today so we took Das Boot out for a 'wee birl roon the bay'. Force 8/9 gales tomorrow.

Professor Eureka: Philip Glass should look to his laurels.

guitar/drums/recorder/piano/composer sound engineer: There just has to be a multi-track (?) solo 'quartet in there.:;

I am seriously impressed by all of this I only had a few abortive forays with triangle, chanter and drumsticks(no drums).

My family weren't musical and I doubt I would even have been much of a listener if not for a couple of mates when

One a builder and player of classical and blues guitars the other an apprentice welder, painter manque and Teddy Boy who sneaked me at 15 into 'Rock around the Clock' (mysteriously X-rated ). The start of the 'Third Pillar')

Diskin: Didn't realise you were the composer of some tracks. 'Sleeve' notes on my copy just say 'All songs written by....The Drum'.

hooked: I know how it goes. Happened to me with Boxer 2. Couldn't really justify it but..........

'Subtle technique and dynamics': Whew! Glad I got the bit in earlier about the sophistication of your drumming.

Withnal and I: Brilliant movie. Must tell you my 'How I got arrested as a spy by a Turkish Army patrol' one sometime.

Skutje racing: Pity your link was suppressed on 'murder'. I turned up a few pics but they weren't that good

I see 'real man' has turned up again - Now an 'expert' on Highland deer culling.

Minor problem is that there are few trees on heather moors. It's like shooting fish in a barrel

Did you catch his 'shows what you know' one about rhinoceroi. If it wasn't unconscious humour, he'd be brilliant!

Played the 'cardboard one' and the 'plastic one' earlier.

Still go for the duo though the SO is with you.

bis spater