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Duct Tape Galore!
Posted Jun 12, 2003
Ahhhh! Duct Tape.
I have a theory that Duct Tape is a Man's tool, and hot-glue the woman's. However, I have found that a lot of women pray to the Duct Tape God. (Is this because it comes in 12 glorious colors?????). I have to admit a sneaking admiration for the women who cross over into Duct Tape territory and take the Duct Tape by the horns....
Here are a few choice sites:
We must, of course, start with that Canadian king of DT, Red Green.... Hop into the Possum Lodge, where the motto is "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (When all else fails, play dead): http://www.redgreen.com/
This is really cool! She makes all sorts of crazy accessories from Duct tape: http://www.vanessajean.com/home.htm
The Official Duct Tape site's Fashion Page:
http://www.octanecreative.com/ducttape/fashion.html
Todd, a Canadian (naturally) sculpts with Duct Tape! http://www.octanecreative.com/ducttape/toddscott/index.html
The libretto for an opera featuring Duct Tape... No! seriously!: http://www.improb.com/ig/ig98-duct-tape-libretto.html
(Not about Duct Tape, but thought I would throw it in: http://www.visi.com/~dheaton/bride/the_bride_wore.html )
However, the piece de resistance has to be:
http://projecttroy.com.nexx.com/website/index.html
Troy Hurtubise's site. Where you can learn all about the all-Canadian legend and his patented "Ursus Mark VII" (Geez, there should be trumpets and smoke for that) bear suit.
Not bear-suit, as in dressed up as a bear... but bear-suit, as in "scientifically designed" hermetically sealed (well, not really), "research tool" bear suit.
Dear Troy.... he has been working for "15-plus years" to design a suit which can be used "capable of withstanding the viciousness of an enraged 300 lb black bear attack".
Just a note... the only time I have ever seen the suit in close proximity of a bear was when he lay in wait in a pile of garbage. Upon being approached by a smallish Black Bear, he leapt (well.... struggled) into a sitting position, and the bear ran off in the opposite direction.
A few notes about the suits:
Testing of "Ursus Mark VI" involved:Truck: 18 collisions with a three-tonne truck travelling at 50 kilometres an hour (30 m.p.h) Rifle: Shot at with 12 gauge shotgun, using "Sabot" slugs Arrows: Armour-piercing arrows, fired from 45 kilogram (100 lb.) bow Tree Trunk: Two collisions with a 136 kilgram (300 lb.) tree from a height of 9 metres (30 ft.) [my favorite!] Bikers: Assault by three bikers - the largest. 2.05 metres (6 ft. 9 in.) tall, weighing 175 kilograms (385 lbs.). Biker armaments: splitting ax, planks, baseball bat. Escarpment: Jumped off escarpment, falling over 15.25 metres (over 150 ft.) "Mark VII": "On the exterior of the suit is again a black box voice-activated recording device, to record bear sounds or, in the event of a catastrophic failure of the Ursus Mark VII, Troy's last words."
What does this have to do with Duct Tape? Why, because 2,289 metres of duct tape went into the making of the "Mark VI" suit.....
Why do I see a gigantic Grizzly Bear not bothering to peel Troy out of the suit, but dragging him (still in the suit) back to his lair to uncork him at his own leisure? MMMMMmmm Cruncky ion the outside and soft on the inside...
For an article on Troy and the Terrorists, see: http://www.improb.com/news/2001/nov/troy-terrorists.html
Troy (or, rather, the Bear Suit) appeared on the Canadian cartoon "Odd Job Jack" in the episode where Jack got a job planting trees.
Here is the "Odd Job Jack" website: http://www.thecomedynetwork.com/oddjobjack/oddjobjack.asp
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Webcams I like (in no particular order)
Posted May 20, 2003
The Ottawa Traffic Cam. It has spotty service, but the only one we have... http://webcam.city.ottawa.on.ca/trafficvideo/list_en.htm
The Squirrel Cam. Squirrels by day, racoons by night (have only seen the racoons): http://www.squirrelcam.com/
Africa Cam..... http://www.africam.com
Dairy Cam: http://www.dairycam.com/index.htm
Gnome Cam: http://atomicinternet.homeip.net/webcam/
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Sunday Service, March 2002
Posted May 14, 2003
Prelude: "Legacy of Ancestors" Tos-Khol (Yakut)
Mindfulness Bell
Opening Words
Give thou thine heart to the wild magic,
To the Lord and the Lady of Nature,
Beyond any consideration of this world.
Do not covet large or small,
Do not despise weakling or poor,
Semblance of evil allow not near thee,
Never give nor earn thou shame.
The Ancient Harmonies are given thee,
Understand them early and prove,
Be one with the power of the elements,
Put behind thee dishonour and lies.
Be loyal to the Lord of the Wild Wood,
Be true to the Lady of the Stars,
Be true to thine own self besides,
True to the magic of Nature above all else.
Do not thou curse anyone,
Lest thou threefold cursed shouldst be,
And shouldst thou travel ocean and earth,
Follow the very step of the ancient trackways.
carmina gadelica - ancient celtic oral tradition
Hymn : # 123 Spirit of Life
A Story:
Ingrid gave me permission to tell this story.
Mary and Ingrid were discussing the ethics of eating animal products. Mary said that the only two foods that could be eaten without harming animals were milk and eggs.
Ingrid thought for a moment and said. "Actually, it would be possible to get cruelty-free lard by liposuctioning pigs."
Children's Story:
When man was created, Creator thought this man should serve the land and the kingdom of animals. The man served Creator well for a long time, but one day this man grew tired of this task and decided to be served by the land and the kingdom of animals instead of him doing all the work.
So it went for a short while until Creator saw what was going on. Creator didn't like what was happening, so he decided to teach man a lesson.
Creator summoned the Thunder People, the Thunder People summoned the Sky People, the Sky People summoned the Feather People, and the Feather People chose a bird in their realm that matched the task that Creator needed to teach the man.
Suddenly, thunder roared and from the fiery sky descended lightning, striking the man and he began to transform into a gigantic bird. The man was frightened, but none the less, Creator was firm in his decision, for he loved this man he created and needed him to be in a good way with himself. In this man's struggle to free himself, his legs changed into feathery legs and claws, his arms changed into wings that went for miles and his head formed into that of a bird.
Still struggling, he asked in vain, "Creator, what have I done to dishonor your greatness?"
Creator responded, "Now you will learn the lessons you need in order to grow humble and defeat your greatest enemy - yourself."
Creator continued, "At the end of this storm you will meet with an animal, this animal will teach you what you need to learn about yourself and after you have learned from this animal, there will be more storms to teach your heart and spirit for the purpose of growth."
Then after the storm ended the man descended as a bird to sacred Earth Mother and met with a bear. The bear taught the man things of the spirit and things of the heart and the man learned how to be humble. In time all the animals became this man's teacher.
Each time there is a storm, look at the stormy sky and remember that you too are learning how to live and to be humble.
Joys and Concerns
Go Now in Peace
Reading 1
"El Viaje Misterioso de Nuestro Homer"
The Scene: At the chili cook-off, Chief Wiggum's imported insanity chili peppers send Homer on a hallucinatory spiritual journey that makes him question whether Marge is his soulmate. His guide is a coyote with the voice of Johnny Cash.
Coyote: Fear not, Homer. I am your spirit guide.
Homer: [warily] Hiya.
Coyote: There is a lesson you must learn.
Homer: If it's about laying off the insanity peppers, I'm way ahead of you.
Coyote: I speak of a deeper wisdom. The problem, Homer, is that the mind is always chattering away with a thousand thoughts at once.
Homer: Yeah, that's me all right
Coyote: Clarity is the path to inner peace.
Homer: Well, what should I do? Should I meditate? Should I get rid of all my possessions?
Coyote: [snorts] Are you kidding? If anything, you should get more possessions. You don't even have a computer.
Homer: You know, I have been meaning to take a spiritual journey, and I would... [the coyote is chewing his pant leg] Hey! Knock it off! [kicks him]
Coyote: [sheepishly] Sorry. I am a coyote.
Homer: Look, just give me some inner peace, or I'll mop the floor with you.
Meditation Music: "Birds and Bird Imitations" Huun-Huur Tu
Reading 2
Richard
My brother Richard recently
stripped his veins of our family's blood
and transfused to Native American.
He's now Merlin -
his totem the blue heron.
Don't ask how he's doing.
We never hear.
But when the herons fly
my body tingles.
--Marie Bahlke
Offertory: "Chiraa-Xor" Huun-Huur-Tu (Tuvan)
Totem:
a. An animal, plant, or natural object serving among certain tribal or traditional peoples as the emblem of a clan or family and sometimes revered as its founder, ancestor, or guardian.
b. A representation of such an object.
c. A social group having a common affiliation to such an object.
Familiar: An intermediary in the spiritual or natural world. In the Shamanic traditions, the familiar was one that provided insight, acted as messenger, spy, guide, or even provide a second skin. We are most familiar (if you pardon the pun) with the witches familiar.
Animae: soul, spirit, vital principle; life; breathing; wind, breeze; air (element);
Discourse 1: Bonnie Lee
Discourse 2: Diane Schmolka
Discourse 3: Marlene Eckstrand
Discourse 4: Totems, Familiars, and the Vox Animae - The Voice of the Soul Anneke
One of the more familiar sights along the West Coast of North America is the totem pole. As familiar as we are with the sight of them few of us really understand what they symbolize, what they really mean.
In fact, they are an outward sign of an extremely complex and ancient system of personal identity, family identity, clan identity, and cultural identity.
Totem poles, carved from the giant cedars of the coastal rainforests, embody not only the identity of a people, but the spirit of the natural world, and by extension, the spiritual world of the peoples who craft them, and the patrons who commission them, and/or the person whom they honor. A totem may be placed to honor the dead, commemorate an event, represent a person or family, a ritual obligation, an act of atonement, or for a myriad of other reasons.
However, as varied as the reasons for their erection, the common denominator in all of them, from place to place, and people to people, is the physical representation of animals and humans, together "explaining" a pole's purpose and defining its cultural connection with those who placed it.
To ancient peoples, and to a growing number of aboriginal people, in the process of rediscovering their cultural roots, the "Totem Animal" is not an unknown. In cultures across the globe personal encounters, either in the day-to-day or within any number of spiritual or ritual contexts were always viewed as something fraught with mystic overtones. A person encountering a particular animal repeatedly, while dreaming, or on a particular ritual journey such as a vision-quest, views such encounters as an extra-ordinary contact with the spiritual world.
According to the Australian Aborigines, their entire culture is locked into the animal world, and thus directly to the spirit world. A man may have a totem animal - an animal that has come to him in a dream, which acts as a guide, advisor, or model. His clan will have totem animal given directly by the spirits during the Dreamtime, the ancient era of creation. A clan's totem defines its "place" in the world and ties them directly to the Dreamtime, and to the great living organism that is Australia.
According to Aborigine belief, all life as it is today - Human, Animal, Bird and Fish is part of one vast unchanging network of relationships which can be traced to the great spirit ancestors of the Dreamtime. All are connected to the Songlines, the spiritual story of the World, which is physically manifest in the earthly map of the Australian terrain.
In pre-Christian Europe, animals were seen as having a connection to the gods and spirits. It was believed that one could draw power from a particular animal to aid in the hunt, to act as messengers to the gods, and even to enable the shaman to enter into the spiritual world during rituals by donning the physical form of a particular animal.
The introduction of Christianity brought a new dimension to the inter-relationship between man and nature. In Genesis 1:28 it says "Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
While man was seen to have "dominion" over the natural world as a God-given right, the power of Nature as was still at close at hand. As the early Church had not yet eradicated the deep-seated belief systems of the Pagan, merely superimposed one form of ritual upon another, it was inevitable that the Church's deep distrust of power of nature and the common man's dependence on the land, and spiritual ties to it still fresh, conflict arose.
Particularly threatening were those whose ability to use nature for the healing arts, or who were seen to have a close relationship with animals outside the realm of the "domesticated". They were, for the most part, women, past childbearing, living on the fringes of society, and who often surrounded themselves with animals. In the pagan past, animals connected one to nature, to the Church they connected one to the Devil. Labelled "familiars" they were seen as messengers of the Devil.
And so it began. We know the result.
It is estimated that as many as 2 million people died since the Inquisition as the Church effectively "purified" Europe of its traditional Nature cults, beliefs and practices. Dying with them was the close spiritual connection with the Earth.
However, what remains deeply rooted in most of us is the mysterious "animal connection".
A Story
Not so long ago, there lived a woman.
This woman was deeply troubled. She had suffered one misfortune after another in her life. She was unhappily married. She had lost several children before they were born. Her childhood had been painful. She had reached a point where she did not want to live. Hoping for some respite, she went away to visit relatives.
One day, as she was travelling down a road, looking out over a long field towards a deep, dark forest, she knew she had reached the end. She had decided that she was going to kill herself.
Making careful plans, she gathered together some medicines she knew would make her sleep and die. She wrote a note to her relatives, and slipped out to commit the deed.
They say that in choosing the place to die, one makes a statement about how one sees oneself. Over and over in her mind, she saw the place where she had chosen to die. It was isolated, cold, and lonely and no one would ever find her. She was, in her mind, cold, lonely, and no one had ever tried to find the real her.
A deep calm came over her. For the first time in weeks, she was at peace. She approached that which was to be her dying place. She looked for a place to enter. Suddenly, her eye caught sight of something on the other side of the road.
A small gravel road to the left led off the main road. On the left side of the gravel road were green bushes, to the right, a bubbling stream. Some inner voice said, "Go there". Turning off the main road she moved a little ways onto the gravel road and stopped. Sunlight filled a meadow and glinted off the quickly moving stream. And there, in the middle of the stream stood a Great Blue Heron.
The Heron and the woman contemplated one another for several minutes, and then, with a great sweep of its wings, the Heron lifted into the air and, like and arrow flew off into the sunlight. The air was crisp and clean, the stream burbled and she knew this was the place. She swallowed the medicines and slipped towards death.
Serendipity: The making of fortunate discoveries by accident. Horace Walpole coined the word, explaining that "this name was part of the title of a silly fairy tale, called The Three Princes of Serendip; as their highnesses travelled, they were always making discoveries, by accidents and sagacity, of things which they were not in quest of ..... You must observe that no discovery of a thing you are looking for comes under this description".
Was it Serendipity that caused the woman to, at the last moment, pick that place of pure beauty, so close to a well-travelled road, rather than the lonely forest at the end of a long walk across a field? Was is happenstance that the Heron stood so long that she chose this place instead of the other, where some hours later passers-by found her and she was revived?
Ah! Who can say? However, the Heron holds a special place in her heart. It is her totem - her Vox Animae.
Closing Words: # 701
We receive fragments of holiness,
glimpses of eternity, brief moments of insight.
Let us gather them up for the precious gifts that they are and, renewed by their grace, move boldly into the unknown.
Postlude: "Cave Spirits" Sayan Bapa (Huun-Huur-Tu)
CD: "Tuva: Among the Spirits Sound, Music, and Nature in Sakha and Tuva"
Various Artists Smithsonian Folkways SFW 40452
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Sunday May 18, 2003
Posted May 14, 2003
This is the Service planned for Sunday May 18, 2003 at The Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Ottawa
Service Leader: Anneke
Speaker: Dr. Bonnie Lee, Minister
Recorded Music: Rod
"Resilience: Rising from the Ashes"
"What makes some people succumb and others rise above overwhelming odds in life? Is resilience an ordinary or extraordinary quality? What are the deciding factors in coming out on top in the battle for life? Bonnie Lee, our minister, will share some of her thoughts on this intriguing topic and its implications for ministry."
Prelude: (Pending)
Opening Words: # 419 attributed to Kalidasa
Look to this day!
For it is Life,
the very life of Life.
In its brief course lie all the verities and realities of your existence.
The bliss of growth,
The glory of action,
The splendour of beauty;
For yesterday is but a dream,
And tomorrow is but a vision;
But today, well lived, makes every yesterday,
A dream of happiness
And every tomorrow, a vision of hope.
Look well, therefore, to this day.
Announcements:
Chalice Lighting: # 455 Dag Hammarskjöld
Each morning we must hold out the chalice of our being to receive, to carry, and give back.
Hymn # 1: # 123 "Spirit of Life"
Spirit of Life, come unto me.
Sing in my heart all the stirrings of compassion
Blow in the wind, rise in the sea,
Move in the hand, giving life the shape of justice.
Roots hold me close, wings set me free.
Spirit of life, come to me, come to me.
Reading # 1: Resilience By Tim Connor, CSP
Success and failure are neutral concepts. What makes either of them positive or negative is not the event, circumstance, or situation but what you do with them along the path of life. No one I have ever met has had a life filled with nothing but failure or one success after another. Resilience is your ability to keep coming back, again and again and again. No matter how many times life throws you a curve or brings you to your knees, you try again - you try something, new, different, or old in a new way. You refuse to give in or up. Here are a few ideas to consider when you feel like quitting.
It is temporary.
You need it so you could learn a valuable lesson.
You need to be softened by life.
You need it to give your life more integrity or character.
You need it so you can be an example for others.
You need to rid yourself of some arrogance or ignorance.
You need it to grow in some area of your life.
You need it so you can learn to laugh at yourself.
You need it so you can learn to live in the present.
You need it so you can learn to take life less seriously.
Regardless of your current station in life or circumstances you CAN rise again. All you have to do is reach inside and find courage, strength, stamina, attitudes, self-belief, self-confidence, and passion to rekindle your desire for what you believe you can do, will do, were meant to do, love to do, or want to do. Hang on to your dream, no matter how big it might seem to you. And, don't let others convince you that you can't do it, won't do it, or shouldn't do it. Be true to yourself and your destiny. You have everything you need, right now, inside of you to carry on. All you have to do is do it.
Offertory: (Pending)
Joys and Concerns: "This is the time when those who would like to share a joy or a concern, or to simply light a candle to represent some significant even may come forward."
Meditation Music: (Pending)
Reading # 2: Anneke
"There is a story about a woman who walks down a street, trips on a stone, and falls into a hole. It is a deep hole and it takes her most of the day to climb out of the hole but she does manage to get out and continue on her way. The next day she walks down the same street, trips on a stone, and falls into the same hole again. This time it only takes her half a day to get out. The next day she walks down the same street, trips on a stone, and falls into the hole, and within an hour she has climbed out. The next day she walks down the same street and trips over the stone, but catches herself before she falls into the hole. The next day the woman walks down the same street and walks around the hole. The next day the woman walks down the same street and comes to the stone. She bends down, picks up the stone, and throws it off the road, and goes on her way." Anon
"This guy's walkin' down the street when he falls into a hole. The walls are so steep he can't get out. A doctor passes by, the guy shouts up "Hey, can you help me out?" The doctor writes a prescription, throws it down in the hole, and moves on. Then a priest goes by, the guy says "Father, I'm down in this hole, can you help me?" He writes a prayer, throws it in the hole, and goes about his way. Then a friend walks by. "Joe, it's me, can ya help me out?" The friend jumps into the hole. Our guy says "Are you stupid? Now we're both stuck down here!" His friend says "Yeah, but I've been down here before and I know the way out." From the TV show "West Wing".
Discourse: "Resilience: Rising from the Ashes" Dr. Bonnie Lee
Hymn # 2: # 131 "Love Will Guide Us"
Love will guide us, peace has tried us,
Hope inside us will lead the way
On the road from greed to giving
Love will guide us through the hard night.
If you cannot sing like angels
If you cannot speak before thousands,
You can give from deep within you,
You can change the world, with your love.
Love will guide us, peace has tried us,
Hope inside us will lead the way
On the road from greed to giving
Love will guide us through the hard night.
Closing Words: # 701 Anneke
We receive fragments of holiness,
glimpses of eternity,
brief moments of insight.
Let us gather them up for the precious gift that they are and,
renewed by their grace,
move boldly into the unknown.
Postlude: (Pending)
Midi Files of hymns from "Singing the Living Tradition", the UU hymnbook: http://www.wuu.org/music.html
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Repudiating the Catholic Church's right to annul my marriage...
Posted Apr 5, 2003
Recently, my ex-husband, a non-Catholic (Church of England) decided to remarry. As she is Catholic, she cannot get married to him (according to Canon law) as he is (again, according to Canon law) still considered married to me.
We are divorced.
As a result, he has petitioned the Catholic Church Tribunal for an annulment of our marriage..... Since neither one of us is or was Catholic and we weren't married in the Catholic Church, I find it outrageous that they would consider, let alone be able, to make any pronouncements upon any aspect of my life.
However, it seems that they think that they do.
I got a call from the Dioscese last Thursday, the first time, I might add, that I heard that an annulment was being sought.... asking me to "submit" to the Dioscese Tribunal, here in Ottawa. As a result, in the last week, I have had a range of emotions from anger, to despair, to outrage. Now, I am outraged.
I have finally decided that I will go to the appointment with the "Tribunal" and repudiate Catholic Church's right to involve itself in my affairs. I will be submitting the following ....
To Whom It May Concern,
When I took my vows of marriage, I did so freely and with the strength of conviction backed up by 36 years of study towards the formulation of my spiritual and moral values. As a Unitarian, I have taken very seriously those values, and I have striven to maintain them. I have made a commitment to myself, and society at large, to uphold these values and to keep to them. I come from a long line of both Protestant and Catholic dissenters who took their lives in their hands rather than submit their consciences, or their principles, to anyone.
When John and I married, we entered into a covenant. I do not use the word covenant lightly. The word covenant, in law, is a binding agreement: "Covenant. A mutual agreement of two or more persons or parties, in writing and under seal." In the Islamic and Hebrew faiths, The Eternal, or Ancient, Covenant is God's promise to mankind. "Brit", the Hebrew word for covenant, is derived from the Akkadian word biritum, which means separation and binding.
"Politically, a covenant involves a coming together (con-gregation) of basically equal humans who consent with one other through a morally binding pact supported by a transcendent power, establishing with the partners a new framework or setting them on the road to a new task, that can only be dissolved by mutual agreement of all the parties involved.
.....The covenants of the Bible are the founding covenants of Western civilization. Perforce, they have to do with God. They have their beginnings in the need to establish clear and binding relationships between God and humans and among humans, relationships which must be understood as being political far more than theological in character, designed to establish lines of authority, distributions of power, bodies politic, and systems of law. It is indeed the genius of the idea and its biblical source that it seeks to both legitimize political life and to direct it into the right paths; to use theo-political relationships to build a bridge between heaven and earth -- and there is nothing more earthly than politics even in its highest form -- without letting either swallow up the other." Daniel J. Elazar
While I recognise the right of Catholics to strive for their own truth and meaning, as a non-Catholic, I do not recognise the right of the Catholic Church to make any judgements upon any part of my life. Moreover, I do not recognise the right of the Catholic Church to nullify a contractual agreement that John and I, two non-Catholics marrying in a non-Catholic church, made, simply because it may or may not "conform" to the principals of the Catholic rite, a rite to which neither of us subscribe.
While John and I divorced and the marriage was legally dissolved as of October 29, 2001, this marriage took place. It took place between two responsible adults, who freely chose to commit themselves to a relationship. For 9 years, we maintained, in every sense of the word, the commitment to each other through thick and thin. We shared our bed, we cried together at the loss of our three babies. I honoured and respected him, as I did his family and his heritage. I assisted him when he was ill. We laughed and cried together. This is marriage.
In the last year of our marriage, it became apparent that my husband was no longer happy, and that he was unwilling to commit to continuing our marriage. As the commitment that John and I made was made as a joint bond, it could not be undone without the active agreement of both parties, we released each other from the bond. We did so legally and freely, and after due and responsible consideration. Still, I loved him, and I will always love and value the life we shared.
The fact remains that the vows we took together, again as a covenant, were maintained for nearly 10 years and, whether the Catholic Church recognises those vows or not, they were recognised by the law, and by ourselves and our families and friends, and by the community, including, I might point out, the co-respondent Denise. They cannot therefore, be negated by any man or any power, as though they never occurred.
I would no more recognise the right of the Catholic Church to nullify my marriage, than I would the right of a body within my own faith to do so (whether for the "convenience" of another party or not).
For the Catholic Church presume the right to decide on any aspect of my life is an outrage and a sin of the greatest magnitude. I find the entire matter so morally and spiritually offensive and an assault on my dignity and character and everything that I hold to be true, that I must, and do, object to, challenge, and deny the right of the Catholic Church or any of its representatives to adjudicate any matter involving my life, much less to nullify the bonds of our marriage in any sense.
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I might point out that I have no objection to my former husband marrying again. I have no objection to him marrying the woman he has chosen to marry. I may have my own personal thoughts and feelings on the matter, but they have their own choices in life to make. They will have to live with the decisions they make.
I object to this entirely on the basis that the Catholic Church has no business meddling in, or making pronouncements on, any part of my life.
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