h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

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Vicky

As so are you right now, it being 2pm here.

I can never get over the strange magic of the different time zone thing and the great distances involved on h2g2. And of course NZ is the most upside down and opposite of us in the UK.

Like in my garden and the next door garden, that has a mini plum orchard, little leafs and buds are just appearing. And for you autumn is about to come. Strange.

Spring seems to get earlier and earlier here. Global warming I think. And to be honest I quite like it because our climate has improved considerably. Summers are generally hotter and better, (except last summer was a nightmare with too much rain. There's this thing in the northern hemisphere for Britain, called the Azores 'high' which mostly gives us our good weather in summer. Last year everything went wonky and the Azores high went in the wrong place up to Iceland.

Do you have any signs of global warming climate change in NZ?

Mmm, let me think... It just seems to be getting colder than ever, every year, and we've had several "once in 100 year floods" in the last three years.

But yes, autumn is coming - slowly but surely. I've just had a rainstorm outside my window... and now it's sunny and cloudy and mostly bright...

This city is so green because it's so wet, and it's just absolutely beautiful! Awesome and lovely, and out of my window, I can see the harbour bridge, crossing water that is a steely-blue/grey colour. There are thousands (or so it seems) of trees everywhere and off in the distance, a church in the other direction.

You'd seldom get a view like this in the middle of any otgher country's biggest city!

Vicky

I see you are up to your usual tricks on the God threads, (I don't mean that nastily). But seriously don't you ever get fed up with that 'stuff' as I call it of faith. Not like we are trying to talk about. All the years of explaining and arguing? I'm not criticising you but I'm very curious sometimes to know how you can stand it. It surely can't help your state of mind of feeling close to God, with all the debating aggro? I often can't bear to read it; it does my head in.

Please explain to me why you feel constrained to do it. (And I'd rather you didn't name names, but just spoke about things from 'your' perspective). I'm genuinely curious. I'm not trying to catch you out though, as I always try to remind you here.



It's good hearing about where you live; Aukland isn't it?

>You'd seldom get a view like this in the middle of any otgher country's biggest city!<

Fair enough, but London isn't half bad. Just unbelievably huge. I can easily get into the centre though by bus or train.

I'd like to hear more about it.

PS Did you know England are in NZ at the moment for the test series in cricket. They have ball by ball comentary here, live on radio from NZ; the match at the moment . I usually fall asleep to it. I love cricket and all sports. But I seem to remember reading somewhere that you *don't*?

This first match, is from Hamilton, I don't have the foggiest where in NZ that is.

BTW I've regularly started referring to you as 'Vicks'. Is that okay? It just seems kind of friendly. I often give people shortened friendly names. But if you don't like it, just say.

Hi! The nickname is fine, you're right, it's friendly...

hamilton is in the Waikato, it's dairy farming country, about 200 km from here, and the last time I went there, I was seriously car-sick. (It's a weakness of mine, and my brother always drove as if he was at Brands Hatch (or Fire Hatch as we call it. The reason for that is that Leon, my son,had used Google Translate to read a website of a German woman rally driver he admires - fancies... when you're 21 is there a difference?)

I honestly get weary on those God threads. But every time I think of leaving them, I come across something I just absolutely have to answer, because it seems to me, there's a misunderstanding or something similar.

I'd love to see London one day..

Vicky

Yeah well I seriously lost my temper earlier on h2g2 today on some other thread which I've unsubbed from now, and I'm fed up to the back teeth with the tediousness of those bloody god threads now.

At least the cricket from Hamilton is now on.

PS I tend to drive like Michael Schumaker, or now lewis Hamilton

Watch out Kimi, you've no chance. I remember you put something really annoying about Kimi on your tag when he stole the F1 from Lewis last season.

No chance this season

Hey Vicks if you ever come to London I'd love to show you round. We might visit or the many churches and cathedrals etc, which are fantastic.

But I'll ban you from speaking about God and Jesus I'm afraid. Otherwise we'll only visit pubs.

Ah, Schumi was something special, wasn't he? Lewis is going great too, he's a prodigy..

My son supports Fernando, and has a bit of dislike for Lewis as a result, but I like both of them! Kimi is cool, also, and a funny guy (I've read an interview or two with him in Leon's F1 mags....)

I just have done something I really wish I hadn't - I read the thread 3Dots started. I feel the need to protect myself too, sometimes, and I feel deep down hurt by some of the things I've just read... especially by az (I know you don't want to discuss any history with her, and fair enough... That's wise, actually.)

At the end of '05, I think it was, I thought I'd honestly had a reconciliation with her.. Now today, I've seen how she feels (again) - I've seen her trashing me before, but it always shocks me. Ask her about the time I sent her money to help a friend of hers! I wonder if she even remembers it?

I'd simply love to know what it was I did to her! (Or 3Dots for that matter - I don't even know him... although I think he's Hoo's brother or friend or something.)

I didn't mean to go on about it all... It'll be interpreted as bad, mark my words.

Ah, well, all I can do is be philosophical. It's the exact opposite of what 3Dots says - I *never* wanted any conflict with anyone, but it happened, it escalated, it's well past being in my control.

Regards from "Cousin It"...

Vicky,

What's all this rubbish straight after blicky has started calling you by the name you want so much?

But I feel pleased you could speak to me about this, as it's clearly worrying you. But firstly let me say I always make my own mind up about things. I've decided to be friends with you, and that's that, for good or ill, so don't worry.

*********** BUT I'm not even the slightest bit interested about your past and and other people's past with you. I'm not interested in any detail like you've said at all. I can't emphasise that enough.********

I'm pleased that *you* and *I* are getting on. That's ALL I'm interested in. I absolutely don't want to hear about the past.

That's what I'm like as a person. I'm *equally* disinterested about what people might say about *your* past now. Why do you think I teased blicky about calling you Vicky? And I sick and fed up with any 'Della' stuff equally. I don't want to hear it. I've told blicky that already.

I made it clear to you that *we* are friends. That is the case. As a friend I suggest maybe you drop the past. As much as you made a new ps. Leave it behind. It's ancient history. And if you *do* feel the need to deal with it, deal with it when you feel safe and comfortable to do so.




I'm no piece of chaff in the wind, you know. I think about things and then make a firm decision.

***I'm only interested in clear strong boundaries as well. This is most important. So everything is clearly explained, and straight and upfront.

That thread with 3dots and my last post should tell you everything you need to know. I do genuinely like you, (God knows knows why? and I really do), and I'm not going to cut you because of whatever happened in the past. Or what someone else says. I'm not stupid you know. Life to some extent is always about risk, I know that. And without risk life would hardly be worth living. I take risks all the time. That's fun.

***I was very upfront with you recently about those threads with other people, when I initially felt concerned for myself. I didn't try to pretend they hadn't happened, or not want to talk to you about it.******

Please feel safe. If things go wrong it will *just* be because we might fall out or have an argument. That's normal. We'll get friends again. I've made my decision to be your friend, and that's that. *****And for god sakes I'm certainly not expecting we shall ever much agree on anything about God and all that faith *stuff* etc


Love effers


PS. As I've always said, feel free to post honestly in reply and will speak more about things until it's *sorted*. This is most IMPORTANT.

PPS. PLEASE be pleased blicky is calling you VICKY.Why don't you just *thank him* for that in a friendly way. blicky is a really lovely person with a heart of gold. I consider him very much as my friend. I encourage you very strongly to do that, when you feel able.


PPPS We'll get back to discussing Formula One, and cricket, in another post please


////////////I expect you to give me an honest, considered reply to this message in your own time, please Vicks. Let me know if you need to take time.//////////

Thank you for your honesty! I shall give a considered reply, when I feel I am able - I am very upset at the moment, about something completely different! (Someone I've known for years, and it's come to a head. )

So, I'll be back, okay?

You're right though, about letting the past stay in the past... I need to get better at that.

Vicky

No worries.




Dragging pointless, meaningless, utterly tedious and ultimately destructive stuff up over and over and over about others and the past, ultimately only hurts you.

Any real friend and good person will tell you the same.

Take as much time as you want to think about REAL things and reply then.

Vicks I've seen what horrors you've got yourself involved with on other threads, since I last posted. So I want to remind you that this thread should be given proper respect for its tone, and also honesty of feelings.

It should feel good to you not to get all defensive and upset here,

Actually Vicky, having come across even more of what you've posted on those boring god threads that go round and round, very uncreatively, essentially in meaningless spats, I'm fairly fed up with you already. People warned me about getting hurt from you after getting friends. I don't think that's the problem though. The problem is *disillusioned boredom* with you. You quite clearly spent hours here posting rubbish on those threads. Stupid little provocative posts, with no other purpose than to create conflict.

Ever since I've been more friendly with you, followed by blicky using the name you prefer, you've behaved nastily. First that unpleasant post, based on the thread, which blicky has started on your ps, 'Answering your questions', then all this provocative rubbish I've read today, on the religious based threads.

I'm seriously wondering whether you have any genuine desire to interact with me in a more honest and interesting way? I told you to take your time replying to that last long post of mine. That was before I saw all the great quantity of spat enhancing posts you must be *prioritising* your time with. They seem as far away as one could imagine from genuine christian desire to get on with others in a *loving* respectful way.

Maybe you just can't handle more friendly and meaningful interacton for any length of time, unless its the trivial smalltalk like you have with other christians on your ps.

You tell blicky in that other thread that you fear the return of 'Della wars'. And yet all the posts of yours today I've read seemed to designed to provoke that very thing.



I've told you I would be your friend. And that still goes. But if you think I'm going to be some sort of friend with endless patience with you, a pathetic appeaser to you, you've got another think coming.

That's not me. I'm already losing patience with you. I don't have much patience at the best of times; an certainly not some infinitely tedious patronising christian type patience.

So get a move on and continue this different type convo here,and show me you take it seriously.

I'm no sucker Vicky. That was never going to be the type of friend to you, I'd be.

The next time you are online, I expect you to give some sort of meaningful response to that other post.



I know I said in post 93,

>Take as much time as you want to think about REAL things and reply then<

but I've changed my mind since I've read all those provocative posts of yours on the boring god threads.

You said earlier on this thread that I seemed like 2 people. That's exactly what you seem like to. And I'm fed up to the backteeth, reading that other person you are on the god threads.

My patience is fast running out......... I'm not kidding you. 'I have in my hand a piece of paper' is my worst nightmare. I've too much self respect for that policy.

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Ah, the other shoe has dropped! This is what I've been expecting all along. I am disappointed, but not surprised.
<< you've behaved nastily. First that unpleasant post, based on the thread, which blicky has started on your ps, 'Answering your questions', then all this provocative rubbish I've read today, on the yawn religious based threads.>>

Well, I have no intention of being nasty! If people see it that way, I can't help it. My theory is they see what they expect to see, because they've all heard about big, evil scary 'Della'...

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I have taken my time. On Friday night, when I made all those posts you're so het up about, I was doing a dozen other things at the same time whilst waiting for Leon to come home. (He was an hour and a half late, and came it at 01.30! I was worried but pretending now to be.) I wanted to write a reply to you when I had nothing else occupying me. Now, appears to be the time.

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If that is what you think, I can't stop you.


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I never expected any such thing!

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Are you sure that's what you want?




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As you wish. You don't seem to realise that the God stuff *is* real to me.

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I can't help that.

Hi Vicks,


Thanks for your reply.

First of all, sorry I was a bit disrespectful towards 'God' in that last post. I was in a very irritable mood. But that shouldn't be an excuse. I do stand by my general points but should have expressed them less harshly and sarcastically.

Do you mind if we get away from the point by point, dissection posting style here? It's fine in other situations; but I prefer it when you reply in a general way in your own words. I think it makes for more thought out and better communication in this context. If you don't agree let me know.



Let me say again I'm not interested in your past, only how you are now in the present. In fact I'd like to see the word, 'Della' banned from this thread.

I'm very glad you don't see me as an 'appeaser' type friend. But more real if you understand. Because I know I can be quite cutting with you sometimes, because you can be quite, even, very difficult.

When I said I was already getting fed up with you, I meant that in the context of friendship. I no doubt will again. I suppose we could call it 'rough' patch; though I wasn't expecting that to happen so quickly, but no matter. You surely don't think I would just ditch you as a friend at the first sign of trouble. I might lose my temper sometimes because I'm an overly emotional person. The reason I said I wanted you to take this thread seriously is because I do.

I really enjoy all the one to one interactions with people on h2g2. In fact along with the 'Lion joke' one with Toybox, this my favourite thread.



I probably disagree with 99% of what you write on those 'God' threads, and if I feel you are being unreasonably provocative, I will bring it up; any friend would, but hopefully not in a really nasty way.

I'll attempt to keep to the more humorous approach.

See how nice I can be when I'm in an conciliatory mood.

Effers

PS. You thrashed us in the cricket. England were completely abject in the way they folded. It was a humiliation. The next test match is in Wellington, later on in the week; not that you're probably that interested though; sorry, sport is my weakness, and England have been pathetic losers in all sports this weekend.

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That's between you and God...


<< In fact I'd like to see the word, 'Della' banned from this thread.>>

Me too, absolutely! (Aaaaarrggghhhhhhhhh, what do you do to my spelling ability, woman? Are you putting some dyslexia hex on me from Bournemouth, or wherever? )

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I understand...

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That's very sweet! again!



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Oh yes, unseemly gloating has been all over the radio, as per usual... Sport is mega-important in New Zealand, I think it's because we have *so much* great outdoors! (The weather isn't as nice as people think, and I've never quite got how people can spend a winter weekend morning
playing rugby in the rain, or watching their kids do so. Luckily for me, Leon could not have been less interested, so I never had to join the parents standing in the rain and cheering their freezing muddy children on...

Not my thing! A cup of in bed and a book, now that's my saturday morning!

Vicky

God says it's fine. He couldn't care less whether I'm disrespectful or not, not to mention believing in him. He said the main thing is that Heaven is in dire need of more people with a good sense of humour, and he'll let me in however bad I am.

What's this sudden mention of Bournmouth about?

It's a bloody cultural desert miles from London, on the south coast. Is it known for its witches' covens or something?

Blimey, a book and tea? when you could be watching an exciting footie match? Actually football/soccer is king here. We have the best league in the world. All other sports come a poor second really. A bit like rugby is king in NZ.

We're sports mad too, but we've also got more 'culture' than you antipodeans.