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The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 21

Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

smiley - smiley Thanks for the synopsis. I'd assumed it was a 19th-Century story. So it's set in the 1960s? Wow.

They'd have stood a better chance in the 19th Century, when remote places were safer for diversity at times. Lots of the 19th-Century cowboys *were* gay. And smoked pot, too, apparently.


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 22

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

There will always be gay cowboys. The problems in the story came because Jack was looking for a gay relationship, and Ennis wasn't. Both men went on to marry women and father children. Ennis's marriage wasn't great, but it could have plodded along were it not for Jack's insistence on showing up two or three times a year to take Ennis "fishing" somewhere in the mountains. Ennis's wife saw the men kissing once, and deduced that she'd married a gay man. After that, the relationship was stormy, Ennis denying everything and his wife chewing him out for lying. Jack wanted to start a ranch somewhere with Ennis, but Ennis remembered two gay ranchers who had been murdered when he was a kid. He didn't want to die like that, but what he ended up with was a life in which he had been denied the one great passion he would ever know. This caused him unimaginable agony. smiley - sadface


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 23

Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

Oh, sad story. But honest, I expect. People get tangled up a lot. It's hard to sort out.


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 24

Mudhooks: ,,, busier than a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest...

It is just a rehashing of the old "Boy goes sheep-ranching. Boy meets boy. Boy loses boy. Boy gets married, has kids story."

Formulaic... smiley - rofl


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 25

Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

There's an article in the Philadelphia Inquirer today about gay rams.

Quotes one of my favourite books, 'Biological Exuberance' by Bruce Bagemihl.

Now *that* might make a good guide entry...the general gayness of nature.


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 26

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

smiley - tongueout

This is unusual in that it's aimed at a mainstream audience. It isn't just for gay audiences. When I saw it yesterday, the seats were all full, and there were people standing in the back of the hall.


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 27

Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

Now *that* is smiley - cool. And high time, too.


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 28

Mudhooks: ,,, busier than a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest...

I WAS joking about the "formulaic" bit, you know.... smiley - smiley


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 29

Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

smiley - oksmiley - rofl We know.smiley - winkeye


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 30

Mudhooks: ,,, busier than a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest...

The manager of one of the bookstores I worked at refused to carry (and balked at special ordering) "cowboy" books (Zane Grey, et al) because he considered them to be "drivel. He certainly didn't mind carrying Danielle Steele and her ilk because he really didn't care that women read "drivel".

I had to laugh, though, when we started getting in a whole lot of gay erotica. He just about went apoplectic. However, the owner had ordered them, not him and they stayed.


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 31

Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

Right on.smiley - laugh

Do you know Margaret Cho? I've heard her say in an interview that her Korean parents ran a bookstore in San Francisco - all her babysitters were gay men. And I think they carried books and videos for them, even though they were very traditional in every other respect.

What a wonderfully diverse world it is.smiley - smiley


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 32

frenchbean

Apopleptic must be one of my favourite words smiley - smiley

And smiley - cheers to the diversity of the human race.


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 33

Mudhooks: ,,, busier than a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest...

I'm all for diversity..... as long as people are just like me.... smiley - rofl


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 34

Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

smiley - rofl I thought you Canadians were a cultural mosaic?


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 35

Mudhooks: ,,, busier than a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest...

We are! All blue pieces.... LOL (though the US thinks we're all Red).


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

Post 36

Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

smiley - laugh Good for you for being blue. In the US, red states now means Republicans, Blue means Democrats. From the election returns, you know.


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

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Mudhooks: ,,, busier than a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest...

Well, here in Canada, Blue is Liberal, Red is Conservative, and Orange is NDP. Green is Green, needless to say.

Of course, I meant Red as in Communist, since TPTB in the US think that we are all Commies. After Harper's rebuttal to the article that painted him a (US-style) Conservative, they are even convinced that our Conservative Party is pretty close to Far Left of Left.


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

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Mudhooks: ,,, busier than a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest...

Truth be known, I will either vote Orange or Red, this time around.

My Mom is on the Executive for the local Provincial NDP riding office.


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

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Mudhooks: ,,, busier than a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest...

I should say that, the majority of Canadians do not vote along party lines. I think that the outcry in the US over remarks made by Martin on softwood lumber and Kioto illustrate the lack of understanding of a good many of Americans (those that actually bother with such matters) and American politicians that Canadians don't vote for the party but on the issues.

The fact that Harper joined that outcry is baffling to me.

If he isn't talking about these issues, he should be because the average Canadian cares more about issues like the FTA and Kioto than they do about whether the Conservatives are going to beef up the military or cut our taxes. These are issues which will affect our future and Canadians want to know that we will have a government that will stand up on these issues. We all know that we can pressure our government to spend more on the military (if we get off our cans and tell them to). Most Canadians care more about having affordable health care than lowering taxes (sure, we like lower taxes as much as the next guy but we also know that 1) it ain't the poor who get the tax cuts and 2) those taxes help us make life better for those of us who it matters to).

Harper and his ilk badly misjudge what the average Canadian wants out of our government.

While all of us are irate about financial scandals I also think that most Canadians are more afraid of what a Conservative government means.

One of the battle-cries of the Conservatives has been that the Liberals have been in power for longer and more often than the Conservatives. Of course, what they fail to "get" is that the reason for this has everything to do with the Conservative Party, itself.

Why have the Liberals been in power longer? Because they get elected.

Why do they get elected? Because their stance on issues beter serves Canadians than those of the Conservatives. Duh!!!!


The llama, the rock concert, and the church (a dream)

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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

smiley - applause Sounds sensible to me.

And you're right - Americans are by and large too lazy to look at the issues, and go for the party, because they think it's football, or something.


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