h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Conndemned by your own words.

The very fact he contradicted himself shows he was not a Christian. My understanding was that he was a catholic.
So anything that contradicts itself is not Christian.

The bible is not christian. you heard it from Six Day Sam first!

But what about all those baptists who supported him, many from here and America?

The very fact that you contradict yourself by breaking your promises ie lying and your lack of respect for your grandfather could show you are not a Christian.

Think about all the times you have had to say "sorry" on the Science boards for the vile insults and lies you told. Think about the real reason you made those apologies - fear that your lecturers would find out and kick you off your course - and think about whether you yourself fit the description "true Christian".

As a point of interest is it being claimed that belief in evolution is responsible for all the evil in the world, or (completely different thing) that evolution *itself* would have to result in "an evil world"?

There are some interesting permutations there.

Noggin

"The very fact he contradicted himself shows he was not a Christian. My understanding was that he was a catholic."

Here we see the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

It might be fun to see how many logical fallacies from this list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy

can be found in any of Sam's posts. First to fifty wins. Who's playing?

Kiteman,

I apologised twice as I recall, for very specific things.

I have not ever apologised for my beliefs, and I am certainly not about to start now.

Wotcher Sam,



Still spilling bile I see!

The capacity for christians to wash their hands of their measure of responsibility for the holocaust never ceases to amaze me. (sadly there doesn't seem to be an emoticon for shaking one's head in wonder)

It is so much easier for you to blame Darwin or Pagans (since Himmler and a few of his henchmen attempted to pervert Germanic paganism to their own ends much to the ridicule of most Nazis).

However read this:
First their Synagogues or churches should be set on fire, and whatever doesn't burn up should be covered or spread over with dirt so that no one may ever be able to see a cinder or stone of it..... Secondly, their homes should likewise be broken down and destroyed..... They ought to be put under one roof or in a stable, like gypsies.... Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayer books and Talmuds.... Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach any more.... If, however, we are afraid they might harm us personally, then let us apply the same cleverness (expulsion) as the other nations such as France, Spain, Bohemia etc., and settle with them for that which they have extorted usuriously from us, and after having divided it up fairly let us drive them out of the country for all time.
This is an extract from the booklet "Of Jews and Their Lies" by Martin Luther (1483-1546) the founder of Protestantism.
This thread of rabid anti-semitism runs through christianity from the earliest times (St John Chrysostam and St Augustine of Hippo) right through into the nineteenth century and it seems likely that a young Adolf Hitler may well have been exposed to it at church in the opening years of the 20th century.

I might also add that you seem to share Hitler's misunderstanding of Darwin's concept of survival of the fittest when you say:

> 4. 'Survival of the fittest' doctrine dictates that the poor and ill should be neglected and left to die

If you look at a human society collectively as you ought to then protecting the poor and ill actually makes us fitter to survive as we have a broader resource of human strength and wisdom to draw on. Hitlers rejection of some of the cleverest members of his society lost him the war, Thank gods.

Your narrow, exclusive form of religion and your arguments seem to me, and I expect to many others, to put you more firmly in the camp of Hitler and similar characters than it would Darawin or Newton.

I do hope you can understand why this is.

Thanks for this quote Brochfael. This shows just another part of the double standards of Sams branch of christianity.

Noggin - I think the specific, original claim, was that "throughout human history" many wars have been fought over evolution. Now I don't know if that means the wars were fought over whether or not evolution occurs, or perhaps just over the mechanism or other technical details. I beleive the war of 1812 was actually fought over whether or not birds and lizards have a common ancestor...


Your points sound interesting to discuss however. The first point seems to indicate that there is good and evil in the world, and that the evil comes from evolution. The second that if evolution is true, then the world is evil.

What is meant by an "evil" world?

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The original claim has already been eloquently refuted, even though Sam's original claim seemed to be closer to "wars fought with justifications derived from the theory of evolution" (rather than wars fought over it's truth) - by which he seems to mean the doctrine of survivl of the fittest. But what are ll the religious wars throughout history if not a variation of this theme?

If anything, Sam's claim would seem to make more sense on the basis of evolution itself being the problem, and therefore, that evolution is true.

Shortly after the publication of "Origin of Species" someone was quoted as saying something like "If it is true let us hope it does not become widely known."

Noggin

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Which were the days and weeks you spent spreading lies and insults on the Science boards.

Sam, you are a prat. You expect us to take your opinions on evolution seriously, even though your logic has more holes than my gran's old stockings. You expect us to take you seriously as a Christian, yet you you have an intolerant, abusive attitude and a recently-revealed obsession with the material world. Are they signs of a true Christian? Child, *you* have no right to decide who is "saved" or who is a "true Christian". You can only just vote, and have barely earned the right to have an opinion on the world.

Original sin was eating from the tree of knowledge, right? And complaints about evolution are part of the broader set of complaints against science. So doesn't this all come down to fundamentalists trying to destroy knowledge, because it is the source of original sin?

Aren't they supposed to accept that the sin happened, and move on? E.g. seek redemption though Jevus, etc. Does it say in the bible that they should also try to undo the original sin by eradicating knowledge? If they succeeded at eradicating science/knowledge, wouldn't they then no longer need Jevus? Why are they trying to put their saviour out of a job?

Dealer,

>>Sam, evolution doesn't claim we're descended from monkeys. It claims we share a common ancestor with them.<<

Anally-retentive point: humans evolved from ape-like ancestors who, in turn, evolved from monkey-like ancestors (though not, of course, modern monkeys).

"Sam, you are a prat."

Sorry you are wrong. I have 10 GCSE's, 4 A-Levels and am on my way to a first class honours degree.

"You expect us to take your opinions on evolution seriously, even though your logic has more holes than my gran's old stockings."

I don't care if you feel that way. God tells us precisely how He created man and I believe Him.

"You expect us to take you seriously as a Christian, yet you you have an intolerant, abusive attitude and a recently-revealed obsession with the material world."

I am sorry to tell you that you are quite wrong. Wealth is irrelevant - can't you understand that?

"Are they signs of a true Christian? Child, *you* have no right to decide who is "saved" or who is a "true Christian".

No, but we Christians are under a scriptural duty to discern those who are in the fold from those who are not. The Bible says we shall know Christ's followers by their fruit.

"Sam, you are a prat."
Sorry you are wrong. I have 10 GCSE's, 4 A-Levels and am on my way to a first class honours degree.
Academic qualification are no guide to prattishness. In any case, I thought you said you got a 2.1 in the first year which is the easy year.

God tells us precisely how He created man and I believe Him.
You refuse to believe the evidence around you, preferring a stupid book. If your God created the world, then he also put that evidence around you in place. Why do you give it less credence than what some ignorant tribesmen wrote down 2,800 years ago?

"You expect us to take you seriously as a Christian, yet you you have an intolerant, abusive attitude and a recently-revealed obsession with the material world."

I am sorry to tell you that you are quite wrong. Wealth is irrelevant - can't you understand that?
Well you don't seem to think wealth is irrelevant with your nice chalet in the Alps and everything.

we Christians are under a scriptural duty to discern those who are in the fold from those who are not.

No you don't. The Bible says that God will do all the judging. You just have to worry about your own soul.

Sam, why do you care about academic honours? It's all part of the same system that espouses evolution, the big bang theory, and the idea that the earth is ~4 billion years old. Why do you take pride in awards given by people who are, by your definition, Satanists?

"You refuse to believe the evidence around you, preferring a stupid book."

I believe God before I believe men.

"If your God created the world, then he also put that evidence around you in place."

No. The devil is reponsible for this.

"The Bible says that God will do all the judging. You just have to worry about your own soul."

You are quite wrong. The Bible tells followers of Christ to JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT.

"Sam, why do you care about academic honours? It's all part of the same system that espouses evolution, the big bang theory, and the idea that the earth is ~4 billion years old. Why do you take pride in awards given by people who are, by your definition, Satanists?"

Not really. I know quite a few young earth creationists in academia, and many others who dispute the age of the earth and the lie of evolution.

"Anally-retentive point: humans evolved from ape-like ancestors who, in turn, evolved from monkey-like ancestors (though not, of course, modern monkeys)."

Allegedly. You have not one iota of proof to corroborate this statement.

Theories, theories, theories... but not a single fact.


Evolution is a wicked lie of the devil, and we Christians will not tolerate it.