h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

And, if all that you've listed, EMR, makes sense to someone, then they should have no problem with all that water appearing and disappearing for a world-wide flood, water from a stone, or the son of god being a little wooley thing with cloven hooves.

Actually, the little wooley thing is probably the most sensible of the lot.

When I asked a Baptist friend who believes in Genesis and all that about where the water came from and went if the entire world was covered in it. She said that prior to the flood the water was all up in the sky, like a kind of soup or something. She said there was reason to believe that from the Bible, but I've never bothered to check. And she didn't explain where it all went anyway.

I've read somewhere recently that what was considered the "whole world" at that stage was just Mesopotamia, and it did flood, but the flood and Noah's Ark seems to me to be an attempt to explain away this disaster by saying that it was God's will cos everyone was a sinner.

My friend is a YEC as well. She is a devout Baptist and the nicest person I have EVER met. She is extremely tolerant and UNprejudiced - she counts me as a friend, and compared to her I am pretty close to being Lucifer's right hand gal. She also has gay friends as well as "stenchy" catholic friends and just about every other religion, race and social class. She does think that I am going to go to Hell, but after a few spirited debates she stopped trying to convert me. I suppose you think that she is going to Hell as well.

One problem with the "if it makes sense" argument is that what makes sense changes over time. This presumably means that the way the bible is read is going to change over time. Certainly if you believe Magog=Russia you have to accept that for two thousand years nobody could possibly have read it "correctly".

Noggin

Our old Vicar was great. He was a down to earth Vicar who had a family and friends of all sorts.

We used to have some amazing talks about what was meant by certain passages in the Bible. We would all talk for hours about what this meant and what that meant.

You can put many interpretations upon the Bible. It depends upon your frame of mind when you read it. Mum told me this once so I checked on it. When I was in a good mood and read a passage, it was full of inspiration and light and made you feel better, but if you were in a depressed mood and read the exact same passage, it was full of foreboding and an eerie sense of doom.

Try it one day...it will surprise you greatly.


So, the Bible may well be the word of God, but, you forget something. We are not Gods. We have no understand of what he meant. He is supposed to have a far more superior mind than us lowly Humans.

Tell me...when he "told" Moses and Peter and "whoever" what was to be in the Bible, do you think he thought to Himself..."oh, hang on, they may not understand what I'm saying. Perhaps they don't understand this particular word, or perhaps they don't know how to spell it...best make it in words of one syllable". Think not!!!

Also, if you were to follow what the Disciples did just after the last supper...hmmm....eternal damnation I should think!!


Oh...you've got me started now!

"I'm sorry but I don't really understand the question."

It's wishy-washy half-baked bigotry like that that makes young children lose their faith in God.

You should be ashamed.

The wean.

'I'd like to ask you how you explain fossils'

Most of them were caused by Noah's flood. It has been shown that rapid fossilisation occurs when there is water and a lot of pressure-both which would have been available at the flood.

This page might answer some of your questions:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/fossils.asp

And what have you usually heard? And don't say 'God put them there to test our faith'. They were supposed to have stopped using that argument in the 17th century.

Carbon dating will prove you wrong there

'She said that prior to the flood the water was all up in the sky, like a kind of soup or something.'

That is called the canopy theory. It stated that there was water above the atmosphere in the form of ice held up the earth's magnetic field. This is where some of the water would have came from and it also would have given the whole earth a tropical climate (thus why there are plants in Antarctic). However, for any decent amount of water to have fallen down, there would need to have been a lot of ice which would have made the air intolerable hot, so most Creationist either do not use this argument or don't think it contributed much water.

Have a look at this which explains where all the water came from and went: http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/flood12.asp


‘I suppose you think that she is going to Hell as well’

No. If she is saved then she is saved. And Jesus was friends with sinners as well.

However, you seem to judge me saying that I am a hate-filled person and a fanatic because I am YEC and believe most of you will probably go to Hell (if you died now). However, your friend seems to hold the exact same views as me so why is she not a hate-filled fanatic?

'Carbon dating will prove you wrong there'

Not at all. Not if you assume that there was a global flood (rather than assuming there was not) which would have completely altered carbon dating. Have a look at this:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/carbon_dating.asp

And the reason I tell you to look at this rather than writing it out is simple. It would take me ages to write out (time I got spend better) and if you are actually interested then you will look.

I am not a scientist so cannot understand what is being said here.

Listen love. All these scientists cannot be wrong.

I could get someone to look into it....hang on.

'All these scientists cannot be wrong.'


Of course they can. When we study the past we only have the present to look at. So our views on the past will interpret the evidence we look at. Scientists who believe in an old earth have simply had that drummed into them since childhood and now interpret the evidence based on that.

Creationists, on the other hand, interpret the evidence based on the idea that the Bible is the Word of God.

You cannot prove either one right unless you have a time machine I'm afraid...

But I could say the same thing to you-surely all those Creation scientists are not wrong?

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I find Sam to be a hate-filled fanatic, actually, I'm undecided about you.

Sam has written some truly hate-filled stuff, and you seem to agree, or at least you haven't said anything against him.


To answer you're question: My friend is not "hate-filled" for starters. As I said, she is the nicest person I've ever met, even if she is a little deluded.

I know for a fact that my friend would be aghast at what has been said here. The fact that you and she share beliefs doesn't make you the same.

If you agree with what Sam has said then I stand by my assertion that you are hate-filled fanatics (although I don't think I used that phrase, it's a good one)

And although some people here are saying you are preaching hatred by saying everyone's going to hell, it doesn't bother me at all, being an athiest, hell doesn't exist. I can understand that the other Christians here would take offense, though. Who are you to say that some believers in god will go to hell because they don't believe in the EXACT same things you do.

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What evidence do you have that the bible is the word of god?

"You cannot prove either one right unless you have a time machine I'm afraid..."


True...

'Who are you to say that some believers in god will go to hell because they don't believe in the EXACT same things you do.'

Please quote me on this (bearing in mind that I said Roman Catholics could go to Heaven).

And I'd be careful about judging people. The fact that you are friends with this woman has probably just blinded you to the fact that she probably believes the same as me. If you has spoken to her on h2g2, you probably would have called her a hate-filled fanatic.

My friend wouldn't write the things that Sam has written, or blindly agreed with them like you have.

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What evidence do you have that the world is not the word of god?

Doesn't the 'word of god' refer to a magical formula that created the world? - that *is* the world?

You cannot prove either one right unless you have a time machine I'm afraid...No, but you can prove them wrong. Creationism as described in the bible has been /proved/ wrong. Genesis 1-3 have been directly contradicted by reality.

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uncharted666

If you are going to make statements about me then back then up. When did I say that all Roman Catholics go to Hell for example. Where did I say that all people who believe in evolution go to Hell? Where? I am getting very annoyed that you just assume whatever Sam think, I think. I think that the Roman Catholic Church is perhaps right in some of her doctrine. Does that mean Sam agrees with that?

'My friend wouldn't write the things that Sam has written'

Does your friend believe in Hell? Does she believe you must be born-again to enter Heaven? Does she believe that witchcraft is a sin? Does she believe in Creationism?

I'd think very carefully before you start grouping evangelicals together while leaving your friend out of the list.