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Red (and a bit grey) Dog Posted Oct 3, 2004
Thanks Scandrea - apology accepted. It was hard to put aside years of work on an avalanche of criticism and I'm just trying to forget about it.
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Scandrea Posted Oct 3, 2004
Sorry- I guess I'm just so used to criticism by now, that I don't remember how it felt when my first scientific paper came back drowned in red ink. I really never expected to hurt you that badly.
I've just had a mutual friendship fall apart on me, and there was nothing I could have done to stop it. Cal kind of got hurt in the backlash as well, and I feel like we need to stick together.
OK?
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Red (and a bit grey) Dog Posted Oct 3, 2004
I was already hurting when I came to you and I guess my expectation was that as a friend you could help make me feel a little better ... the way that turned out was showed my expectation was plain wrong. With hindsight I wouldn't have come to you if I'd have known what your reaction was going to be. I just assumed you'd understand as a friend and could give me a bit of TLC and help me fix my bruises .
I'm sorry to hear you've had a falling out . Look after Cal - I don't know him but I knew Tuc well and still miss him - that's why I built the monument and still look after it through the Honour Guard.
Thanks for the comment about my space - I'd had the old one for over three years and it was a time for a spring clean and I'd had the RedZone in build for a year or two simply as a list of stuff I liked (and disliked). It was simple just to elevate it from an entry.
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Scandrea Posted Oct 3, 2004
I'm really sorry- like I said I was so used to criticism, that I barely even notice it anymore! I wasn't thinking, and I'm sorry.
I have come to a realization of sorts- the falling out was between a newer member of an RP and one who had been there since the beginning, regarding the behaviour of a newbie. It got ugly pretty quickly, and stuff got dragged into it that should have never been on hootoo in the first place.
And I guess why I got so upset about it was because it hit kind of close to home, if you know what I mean.
What happened next was a little different- the newer member gave a "you or me" ultimatum- but the result was the same. The girl who had been there since the beginning deaded her character, and left the game for good. Seeing what she has gone through these past couple days is like a knife in the stomach- you survive, but you wish you didn't.
She deserved more respect than that. So did you.
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Red (and a bit grey) Dog Posted Oct 5, 2004
Awwww that's really nice - thanks so much
The thing I've observed about HooToo over the years is that because you're interacting with a persona rather than a person there's not the restraint you have in a normal person to person relationship. It's a bit like road rage - you're cocooned in your PS and you can be anything you want and behave in anyway you want with no comeback whatsoever. This it seems to me brings out the best and the worst in people. I try to behave with dignity and restraint and try to play fair and be honest and true to my real self. From time to time you get people like Red Fox who just mess the whole thing up without consideration for the damage they do. I think part of the problem is the huge age range you get online here - anywhere from 14 to 50 and there's a big differential in maturity.
I must admit I'm easily bored by immaturity which is why I didn't go along with the SuperMoo thing as I was invaded in three separate arena's and it was all too tedious and boring for me so I went to play elsewhere. Trouble was that group just went around from RP arena to RP arena plying their brand of mayhem and it just wasn't for me - I believe you need to respect the laws of the RPG and they didn't.
I also got sore at Red Fox because fudementally he forgot (or didn't bother to find out) that for almost the whole of the CHOPPERS vs STUMPED was there was always 10 villains to every good guy (I guess it's more to be bad) and to redress the balance we created the laws of heroic cliches. If we hadn't have done that every battle would have seen the outnumbered superheros succumb to greater weight of numbers each and everytime. That would have been a sure and quick way to the RP closing down as it was grossly unfair. My sense of natural justice was offended by his bleating about how I was being unfair to him when every 10 minutes I was a target for every villain on HooToo .... he should have tried to have been me for a while and see how he liked it before having a go .
I was offended because he spent 10 minutes in 2 years on the thread and got uppity pretty quick about me and made it intensely personal.
I was gutted when you confided to wassername that you thought I was pursuing you and was becoming a problem.
~ stops and thinks for a moment ~
I'm not really over this am I ?
I need to let go for my own good.
Scandrea to be honest with you I was very suprised when you came to talk after all this time and I admit that I didn't know how to handle that. I was a bit suspicious at first but having thought about things I amd very very glad that you did because the things that attracted me to you in the first place are still there - you're smart, you're generous and you're honest.
I think what happened to your friend in the other RP thread was exactly what happened to me and if our experience is the same she will be going through weeks of hurt because it is like killing a bit of yourself ... we do live though our avatars here on H2G2 don't we !
My heart goes out to her and also to you for the fact that you realised the truth of what happened there and with my situation as well. I do understand what she did - older researchers do tend to do that and get out of situations I think even when it hurts them to do it.
I'm very glad we're friends again
I'm here for you if you need help, a shoulder to cry on or just a mate to share experiences with. I always though you were a fine soul and it seems to me you've had your own fair share of troubles in life as well.
Thank you for coming back to see me
RD
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Scandrea Posted Oct 5, 2004
Me too- I'm going to go ahead and add you to my friends list again!
The only reason why I went to Anthea was because I was a relative newbie in the community (Relative because I hadn't posted in two years) and wasn't sure how to handle an online argument. Some pretty nasty things were said on both sides of the argument, and I kind of panicked. I wish you would have told me the history behind the heroic cliches, and then I wouldn't have gone off like that. So mistakes were made on both sides, but we've said our apologies, and hopefully everything is If I knew then what I know now, it never would have happened.
Any chance you'll come back to CHOPPERS? We've still got your old spandex...
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Red (and a bit grey) Dog Posted Oct 6, 2004
I thought everyone knew the history - for month after month there was just me and ocasionally Uncle Heavy would drop by for a post or two. Truth is that I only kept it going because I promised Unc I would do it after he went to Uni and I wanted to abide by my pledge to him. I created the Heroic cliches just to stop me from going under.
I dunno about coming back - I deleted all my guide entries including the 2 handbooks, the Legion HQ, the dial-a-hero pages, the library, the Thwarter and the L-Space silencer
What is happening with CHOPPERS - I had a look at your and Vestboys PS's and couldn't find much stuff going on. It all looks as if it just died ?
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Scandrea Posted Oct 6, 2004
Well, when you left like that, it was all very awkward for all of us. I think that kind of contributed to the thread dying out. STUMPED is pretty much the same- atrophied.
And I had no idea about the history! I had come in long after any of that happened!
There's still the sort of side adventure with Anti-Affy and KL, which I kind of got drawn into. If you're interested, I could call you up...
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Garius Lupus Posted Oct 10, 2004
Yeah, you could join that one, Red Dog. I'm there too, playing Burford Solo (Hans's brother) and his Cookie, Oreo (They fly in the Millenium Teapot, which has a cool cloaking device: the Tea Cosy of Invisibility). Of course, it is a little scripted, since Affy is mainly calling the shots and I'm sure has somewhere he wants the story to end up. Also, YK is the other player besides Scandrea *waves at Scandrea*. But there is fun to be had along the way. Right now, we are here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A2975150
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Garius Lupus Posted Oct 12, 2004
Nice to meet you too, Scandrea. You know, when you first showed up in that Anti-Affy adventure, I thought you were just another of YK's accounts. Shows how long it's been since I visited either CHOPPERS or STUMPED. You know, I was a founder of both of those organizations - in fact, I named them both (sorta - Affy named STUMPED, but I came up with the meaning for the acronym. I DID name CHOPPERS, though, and came up with the meaning for THAT acronym too). By the way, I am also Big Bad Werewolf, one of the founding members of STUMPED.
There is also one other thread that I am in with you, but I'm not going to tell you which one
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Garius Lupus Posted Oct 12, 2004
*waggles eyebrows*
Bwa ha ha ha ha
I'm not in the thread as Garius Lupus. I'm there under another name. And almost no one knows it's me! Bwa ha ha!
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Garius Lupus Posted Oct 14, 2004
Hmmmmm. I guess that's the problem when ~almost~ no one knows it is me.
Then again, ~almost~ no one knows that you are behind another character, Red Dog. Bwa ha ha.
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