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A11251298 - Piku

Post 1

Hoovooloo

Entry: Piku - A11251298
Author: icecoldalex: SExpert @ A4108330 where Science is EXplained in a Friendly Fashion - U1074321


I consider this a work of genius. It's not immediately obvious why it is, but it is...

SoRB


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Post 2

LL Waz

Don't know about genius - not qualified to say, but I think it's rather beautiful - got a kind of quiet strength about it and the binary thing is clever. Love the me/you thing. That's neat.

It did take a few reads to find one that worked but it paid for the effort. The unpunctuation and one word lines that I often find smiley - ermish were justified.

The bits I'm still trying to work out are the emphasis on 'remains', and the title. What's Piku? The meanings I googled don't fit.

The bit I'm least sure of is the very last line/word.

Thanks for this, it was an enjoyable read, re-read and re-read.
Waz


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Post 3

LL Waz

And re-read! Just got 'remains' smiley - smiley. Skim 'over' and, smiley - ok.

That just leaves 'infinite'.


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Post 4

Pinniped


I took the title to be Pi-ku to rhyme with (and suggest) haiku, where Pi=3.141529...

But I haven't been able to interpret it yet.

Intriguing.


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Post 5

Trin Tragula

It's the syllable count smiley - doh

That *is* genius smiley - ok


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Post 6

Trin Tragula

(And that also explains why there's a full stop after 'You' - which has been bothering me all day).


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Post 7

Trin Tragula

(Sorry - after 'You circle')


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Post 8

Trin Tragula

And I forgot to say that I enjoyed this as poetry long before seeing that 'device' - very nice indeed smiley - smiley


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Post 9

LL Waz

Ha! The syllable count in the first six lines is 3,1,4,1,5,9... it's too close to midnight to get the calculator out for the rest.


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Post 10

LL Waz

smiley - laugh oh yes, the full stop after circle smiley - biggrin. But it works poetrywise too.

Like you I'm glad I read it first without seeing the counting.


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Post 11

Pinniped


smiley - doh

Really should have got that.
I'd even seen something of the pattern in the line-lengths, and still the penny didn't drop.

"How I wish I could calculate pi. Eureka cried the great inventor..." is the corresponding part of the (best-known?) poem with the digits as the word letter count.

So the last line here could have been eight syllables long, still intimating a continuation to infinity.

Perhaps it could "end" as :
and run towards infinity

Perhaps that's a bit churlish, thoughsmiley - erm. You're right about the poetry of it. Pretty skilful to produce something as harmonious that still generates the pattern.



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Post 12

Pinniped


We run towards infinity.

(if you're going to be churlish, do it properly...)


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Post 13

icecoldalex

Thanks Pinniped. I thought that the last line should be 3 syllables but I've checked and it should be 8.

I shall have a think.

Alex.


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Post 14

icecoldalex

Do you guys get this bit?

One revolution
over our separation remains
constant

smiley - smiley

Alex


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Post 15

icecoldalex

OK I've put a different last line.

What do you think?

Alex


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Post 16

icecoldalex

LLLwaz

I'm interested what you think 'remains' means?

Alex.


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Post 17

Hoovooloo


One thing I love about this form is that while on one level (syllable count) it's extremely restrictive, on another level (length) it can literally be as long as you like. Whereas a haiku must be three lines, a limerick five, a sonnet fourteen, by definition a pi-ku is ALWAYS stopped prematurely and could in principle continue forever...

SoRB


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Post 18

Trin Tragula

But also, since it has to end (the hand that types being mortal), it then has to come back to the beginning, so describing a circle: the longer it goes on, the more precise it becomes, but as an expression of wholeness, as a whole number, it's three and has to return there.

(Which is why I'm not so sure about that last line now: I liked the suggestion in the first version that the last line linked up to the first, which isn't as easy to see now - should it start with a capital 'y'?)

One revolution
over our separation remains
constant

>>Do you guys get this bit?<<

Volunteer idiot time? smiley - winkeye I'm getting four different things from that bit, depending on whether I imagine an invisible comma after 'over' and depending on the two principal meanings of 'revolution'.



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Post 19

icecoldalex

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Some interesting ideas here about it linking to the first line. I'm more interested though in it being Pi and therefore continuing with the decimal places theme. I wanted something about infinity though because Pi goes to an infinite number of decimal places.

I initially wanted 'Ad infinitum' but when I thought it was 3 syllables this wouldn't fit and now it's 8, I can inlcude it. Not sure about 'rotating'. It's all getting a bit dizzy.smiley - smiley

The poem is supposed to be romantic, about 2 people and linked to Pi and circles etc.

A hint and the 'One revolution over our separation...' - what is the definition of Pi?

Any suggestions for alternatives to rotating?

smiley - ok
Alex.


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Post 20

LL Waz

Spinning on?
Suggests rotating and carrying on throwing out new numbers.
Recurring? Doesn't have the circles unless you change the rest.

Remains - I'll get back to you. Not something I can word at work with auditors hovering and essentialrighthandman bellowing at the printer next door.

Pi - I love these impossible numbers that measure something as real as the coffee table.

Waz


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