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Hoovooloo Started conversation Apr 25, 2006
Entry: Piku - A11251298
Author: icecoldalex: SExpert @ A4108330 where Science is EXplained in a Friendly Fashion - U1074321
I consider this a work of genius. It's not immediately obvious why it is, but it is...
SoRB
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LL Waz Posted Apr 25, 2006
Don't know about genius - not qualified to say, but I think it's rather beautiful - got a kind of quiet strength about it and the binary thing is clever. Love the me/you thing. That's neat.
It did take a few reads to find one that worked but it paid for the effort. The unpunctuation and one word lines that I often find ish were justified.
The bits I'm still trying to work out are the emphasis on 'remains', and the title. What's Piku? The meanings I googled don't fit.
The bit I'm least sure of is the very last line/word.
Thanks for this, it was an enjoyable read, re-read and re-read.
Waz
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Pinniped Posted Apr 25, 2006
I took the title to be Pi-ku to rhyme with (and suggest) haiku, where Pi=3.141529...
But I haven't been able to interpret it yet.
Intriguing.
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Trin Tragula Posted Apr 25, 2006
(And that also explains why there's a full stop after 'You' - which has been bothering me all day).
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Trin Tragula Posted Apr 25, 2006
And I forgot to say that I enjoyed this as poetry long before seeing that 'device' - very nice indeed
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LL Waz Posted Apr 25, 2006
Ha! The syllable count in the first six lines is 3,1,4,1,5,9... it's too close to midnight to get the calculator out for the rest.
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LL Waz Posted Apr 25, 2006
oh yes, the full stop after circle . But it works poetrywise too.
Like you I'm glad I read it first without seeing the counting.
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Pinniped Posted Apr 25, 2006
Really should have got that.
I'd even seen something of the pattern in the line-lengths, and still the penny didn't drop.
"How I wish I could calculate pi. Eureka cried the great inventor..." is the corresponding part of the (best-known?) poem with the digits as the word letter count.
So the last line here could have been eight syllables long, still intimating a continuation to infinity.
Perhaps it could "end" as :
and run towards infinity
Perhaps that's a bit churlish, though. You're right about the poetry of it. Pretty skilful to produce something as harmonious that still generates the pattern.
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Pinniped Posted Apr 25, 2006
We run towards infinity.
(if you're going to be churlish, do it properly...)
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icecoldalex Posted Apr 26, 2006
Thanks Pinniped. I thought that the last line should be 3 syllables but I've checked and it should be 8.
I shall have a think.
Alex.
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icecoldalex Posted Apr 26, 2006
OK I've put a different last line.
What do you think?
Alex
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icecoldalex Posted Apr 26, 2006
LLLwaz
I'm interested what you think 'remains' means?
Alex.
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Hoovooloo Posted Apr 26, 2006
One thing I love about this form is that while on one level (syllable count) it's extremely restrictive, on another level (length) it can literally be as long as you like. Whereas a haiku must be three lines, a limerick five, a sonnet fourteen, by definition a pi-ku is ALWAYS stopped prematurely and could in principle continue forever...
SoRB
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Trin Tragula Posted Apr 26, 2006
But also, since it has to end (the hand that types being mortal), it then has to come back to the beginning, so describing a circle: the longer it goes on, the more precise it becomes, but as an expression of wholeness, as a whole number, it's three and has to return there.
(Which is why I'm not so sure about that last line now: I liked the suggestion in the first version that the last line linked up to the first, which isn't as easy to see now - should it start with a capital 'y'?)
One revolution
over our separation remains
constant
>>Do you guys get this bit?<<
Volunteer idiot time? I'm getting four different things from that bit, depending on whether I imagine an invisible comma after 'over' and depending on the two principal meanings of 'revolution'.
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icecoldalex Posted Apr 26, 2006
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Some interesting ideas here about it linking to the first line. I'm more interested though in it being Pi and therefore continuing with the decimal places theme. I wanted something about infinity though because Pi goes to an infinite number of decimal places.
I initially wanted 'Ad infinitum' but when I thought it was 3 syllables this wouldn't fit and now it's 8, I can inlcude it. Not sure about 'rotating'. It's all getting a bit dizzy.
The poem is supposed to be romantic, about 2 people and linked to Pi and circles etc.
A hint and the 'One revolution over our separation...' - what is the definition of Pi?
Any suggestions for alternatives to rotating?
Alex.
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LL Waz Posted Apr 26, 2006
Spinning on?
Suggests rotating and carrying on throwing out new numbers.
Recurring? Doesn't have the circles unless you change the rest.
Remains - I'll get back to you. Not something I can word at work with auditors hovering and essentialrighthandman bellowing at the printer next door.
Pi - I love these impossible numbers that measure something as real as the coffee table.
Waz
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