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Trillian's child Posted Aug 10, 2000
Dogs and their dinners
I would like to end the dog's dinner discussion by saying that the phrase dog's dinner is just more popular due to its alliterative quality.
cats and their dinners
Our cat screams for food and when she gets it she walks off and leaves it.
British English - for advanced students
Trillian's child Posted Aug 10, 2000
BTW could someone have a look at my question on the American use of past tenses. In the Harry Potter forum. There's quite a bit about British vs American English there. Have only just posted it. Would like authoratitive comments from both sides of the Atlantic please
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Trillian's child Posted Aug 10, 2000
Sorry, not the Harry Potter forum, it's the one about "What does RSVP stand for?"
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Gandalf ( Got my own Comp Now!! Still Redundant!! ) Posted Aug 10, 2000
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Wand'rin star Posted Aug 10, 2000
Interesting phrasal verb that. Which of the following do you consider correct?
Make up your mind / Make your mind up / Make up your quarrel / Make your quarrel up / Make up your face / Make your face up / Make up an excuse / Make an excuse up / Make up the work (hours) / Make the work up / Make up a party / Make a party up
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Gandalf ( Got my own Comp Now!! Still Redundant!! ) Posted Aug 10, 2000
As they say on TV game shows...
Its 'Make your mind up time'..............I guess!!!!!
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Dinsdale Piranha Posted Aug 10, 2000
Your choice of phrasing would depend for the most part on whether you subscribe to the 'don't end a sentence with a preposition' school of thought. Others, such as 'Make up your quarrel/make your quarrel up' seem to have different meanings. The first I took to mean 'let's be friends again' whereas the second at first reading meant 'invent your quarrel'. However, now that I read it again, I realise that both interpretations could be applied to both phrasings.
Sorry that this is such a pointless posting.
Phrasal verbs
Wand'rin star Posted Aug 11, 2000
[meaning units having more than one word] are interesting things, though aren't they. Some can't be turned round to get rid of the preposition endings eg Talk it over ; some can't put the preposition at the end eg Put up with it. Get over it and get it over don't mean the same thing.
To return to Trillian's muttond I'm English and I would say "It's a long time since I was a baby" I would "since I have been" means I'm back there. eg It's a long time since I've been in Paris implies I'm back there sitting outside the cafe or at least that I'm on my way there. Isn't English great?
Ungrammatical English
Wand'rin star Posted Aug 11, 2000
Sorry about that. I'm on a different computer from my usual one. I'll have to go back to reviewing everything or stop being so pedantic about everybody else. What I meant to say was "I wouldn't mark 'since I've been' wrong" and "Muttons" not muttond - I'll have to get my fngernails cut.
Ungrammatical English
Walter of Colne Posted Aug 11, 2000
Gooday Wandrin'star,
Hey it has been a long week for you, what with all that longueur and stuff, homesickness and marking papers. I liked muttond even though it didn't make much sense to me (and even less now that you have corrected it). Take care and haveagoodweekend,
Walter.
English for Australians
Wand'rin star Posted Aug 11, 2000
Hi Walter
"To return to our muttons" means to go back to what we were talking about previously. Phrase used by (some) English people. It's a poor translation of the French "Retournez a nos moutons" = let's get back to our sheep.
English for Australians
Walter of Colne Posted Aug 11, 2000
Gooday again, Wandrin'star,
Just time for a quick reply to your latest. I didn't know the French coined the phrase 'let's get back to our sheep' - I had always thought it was the New Zealanders. Must fly, we are heading off to the watering hole for a few suds. Take care,
Walter.
English for Australians
Walter of Colne Posted Aug 11, 2000
PS,
Of course, it was an Australian who stuffed a jolly jumbuck etc.
Walter.
English for Australians
Kaeori Posted Aug 11, 2000
I knew an Arab who, confused about conventions for differentiating the name of meat from the animal it comes from, happily referred to "fields of grazing muttons...".
Carnivorous English
Wand'rin star Posted Aug 11, 2000
Bull (cow) - beef, calf - veal, sheep - mutton, Sir Walter Scott reckoned this was because the Normans ate the stuff and the English peasants looked after it in the field This may be a canard (French for "duck") as in that case why is there no word for cooked rabbit which were fiendishly expensive when first introduced and were kept in special warrens. Yet we have never had the equivalent of "lapin"
Carnivorous Franglais
Mick & Hoppa Canuck Posted Aug 11, 2000
Odd how "lapin the rabbit" or, "lapin the bunny" have been missed!
Don't " 'picene' la picene "* though, please!
*For folks for whom La Francais is not Federally Legislated:
(As in, "Most Folks" - Howdy! <>
Anyway, 'picene' means, "swimming pool" en Francais.
"Rocket " ; "Flower Power" and "The Great One" all mean, "Hockey!!"
If you find this confusing, ask any Canadian.
It will be explained to you; cheerfully and without nuclear weapons.
Please Don't Hurt Us --- That's our Defense Policy... OK with me...
PLT, Mick.
British English - for advanced students
Orinocco (R51290) Posted Aug 14, 2000
RSVP ? - don't know ... can I get back to you on that ?
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Orinocco (R51290) Posted Aug 14, 2000
I think the phrase you were looking for is "Never use a preposition to end a sentence with"
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Wand'rin star Posted Aug 14, 2000
To which you probably know Churchill's annoyed marginalia "This is a sitaution up with which I will not put."
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Orinocco (R51290) Posted Aug 14, 2000
I must say I'm continually fascinated by my native language (as it is spoke & as it is wrote), so I'll share some more little gems with you all (and hope my poor typing doesn't get in the way).
I recently came accross the opposing implications of "in action" and "inaction" - does anyone know of any others like this ?
At the week end stumbled on the idea of "rampant apathy", which I like.
More later.
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