h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

>Damn wrong for you to make a sexist point of it, though.<

Sorry, dear. Oh for goodness sakes can't I make one little comment about 'men' without you playing the sexist card? I call that excessive fragility. I believe you yourself have referred to 'my disgraceful sex' in the past.


And as for being 'bit tired with Dogs approach... I think that's perfectly reasonable. He took my joke about his description of it being 'hostility in very good heart; and we moved on. Of course we need reason as well as emotion - I don't need to be lectured on that, thank you very much.

If I can't even make a few, honest remarks here without you jumping on me, completely missing my point and accusing me of sexism, I be bothering to discuss anything more on this thread. I notice For the last few days I'm the only female around. If you want an all boys club - good luck!

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Well, I think he was.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eYoERWmZdZ8&feature=related

At the end of this clip from the film, 'Battle of Britain', as the credits roll, it gives a list of the pilot s from all the many nations that took part in the B of B. Many were killed and injured. The numbers are displayed.

I got 33% chav. You beat me fair and square blicky. If you want to start dissing me - your choice. There was a lot of irony in that chav christmas story which you completely missed. I've nothing against chavs in the way you seem to think. It's the affectaion of stupidity I can't stand. Note I said *affectation* not actual. Read what I actually say.

BTW my name is Effers, not Fanny. If you can be bothered not to play the 'Della/Vicky' game with me, I'd be more interested in reading what you say, rather than skimming which I do when someone can't even be bothered to call me by present name. This is something I have an issue with because so many English types round here can never be bothered to get someone's name right.

Interesting. One of the pilots was Israeli. Did he have a time machine?

And before you jump on the phrase 'English types', I should of course have said, WASP types. Is that more acceptable?

Did you just call Blicky a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant?



Gif

Effers, Ive been calling you fanny because that's the name I got to know you best under I dont have a problem with changing the way I address you but then neither do I slavishly copy every whimsical change on someones name/tag line.

You've been calling me "blicks" for some time and while Ive been calling you Fanny since before you changed your name a long time ago. I wonder why you have the sudden about face and sudden double standard


Yeah jokes about underclasses are funny to those who arent generally perceived to be part of it. I dont look like a chav, Im too old and I dont aim to dress like one nor do I play up to your own or other peoples' steretypes that said where I live, my family background, my personal history and some of the people I call my friends all make me part of what is called chav life.

Im sorry for you that you have taken to see my defence of people as an attack on you. Im not attacking you for the meaning of what you wrote Im denouncing the flippant use of the word. We can all miss things in others' posting and this is what I think you're missing in mine (or just a likely I expressed it badly).


I value your freindship but friend or no I wont idley sit by while you refer to that nasty word/stereotype in the casual way you have been.

>http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eYoERWmZdZ8&feature=related<

No.

Sop it Gif. I said the WASPS round *here*.

You'll have him accusing me of doing a Della next by refusing to accept he's black....

Oh christ I didn't mean to post that link again - that was a mistake. Please ignore it.

blicks is a term of affection. I'm used to doing that with people I'm fond of. I'll stop though. If you want to continue calling me Fanny, entirely your choice.

I take the whole chav thing as irony. We do it all the time. We aprody, the aristocracy, the middle classes, women as done by french and Saunders. They also parody blokey types.

I won't be discussing chavs here anymore. I still have the fact I'm on probation, not having been told anything to the contrary as of yet, to consider.

I don't think he's asking you to stop calling him Blicks, though.

Rejection of academia is not an affectation of stupidity, it looks that way to some people but there are other readins which make more sense.

Just because people dont want to engage with studying the way you do doesnt mean they are setting out to look thick.

If you thinhk that people should be embracing learning as a positive actitivity those who ar seen to be part of it graduates and people like you shouldnt be going round using prejorative language in reference to people who arent it only entrenches attitudes which you say you're against.



You want to call me a WASP????

Really you want to say Im part of and my actions fit with WASP characteristics but you dont think Im a chav Im way more chave than I ever was WASP even when I was a protestant.

Maybe you're a BASP?

>Rejection of academia<

Please show me where I said that. I do *not* equate academia with intelligence. Never have. Never will. Some of the stupidest people I've come across went to Oxbridge.

I didnt say you had said that, did I?

What I see from a lot of people is the rejection of higer and in some cases any structured learning which you mistakenly see and flag up as affectation of stupidity.

What I come across is contempt for learning and playing with ideas, being told wot I've swololled is dickchenry. You fink too much etc. I know full well these people are often as bright as anything, but a group identity prevents them from showing it. Being an intensely individualist, some degree because of class conflict in myself, and my family's class change, and fanatical encouragement for education to escape poverty, I'm not much impressed by people who want to stick to a 'uniform', real or metaphorical.

I frequently chop and change my ideas about all sorts of things, I like to think. I won't use that c word here again for sure. But down the pub, having a bit of banter about things, I will.

Ed,

"Ah, no. It wouldn't. All it would have told us was probability of Downs Syndrome, severity unknown."

Doesn't the test also find other nastier possible problems?

"I slightly sympathise with your dislike of Dogster's (let's call it) Vulcan-like stance. But I take it...and maybe he can comment on this...that he's role-playing. We need the logic as much as the emotion."

Sort of. I'm not settled in what I believe on these sorts of issues, and I'm using this as an opportunity to explore them. That said, I really don't see the problem with, for example, a regulated system of sex selection.

Gif,

"I'd say it's the 'golden rule' which says you should act as you would like others to act. Unless you want to live in a society where everyone chooses the sex of their child, you shouldn't choose the sex of your own child. The same reason people don't (generally) cheat, steal or lie."

Is that the reason that people don't cheat, steal or lie though? I would guess not. I would guess that it's because each of those actions actually hurts someone, a direct effect of your own action on someone else. That's not the case for choosing the sex of your child, it's only when it happens collectively en masse that there is a potential problem.

For me, it looks as though this is a case where you could say: there's nothing wrong with it, but if everyone did it there would be a problem. One response is to say: OK then nobody can do it. Another response is to find a new way of doing it, like the ratio preserving system I mentioned earlier.

"But when selecting for a disability, it's clearly being done for the benefit of the parents. They are using their child as a means, not an end."

Hmm, maybe. But don't all prospective parents do this? I mean, before you have the child there is no child to have any interests of its own. They become an 'end' once they exist, but before that they can only be a 'means'. Or is that too heartless?

KZ/WG,

"Nobody's perfect, but while Churchill didn't win the war single-handedly it's quite possible that the war wouldn't have been won at all without him."

I'm pretty suspicious of claims like this. How can you possibly even begin to evaluate it?

>>Sorry if I seemed to be jumping on you Fanny Im just very sensitive when it comes to one sided eulogising over Winston Churchill.

Mention him in Glasgow and you'll be told all about the 1919 George Square massacre.

>> I once said something similar to friends and one of them said it sounded more like stamp collecting

There was certainly some licking involved. .

No...that was just the luck of the draw. But I *do* especially like Women Of Colour.