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Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 1

Mugfungus

This programme features a lot of hurt people being led away from confronting their grief by a charlatan. Shouldn't 'clairvoyants' and 'spiritual healers' be arrested for inflicting, or prolonging, mental suffering?


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 2

Xanatic

Do we necessarily know what psychiatrists do is any better?


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 3

Mugfungus

Fair point, but psychiatrists don't, to the best of my knowledge, pretend to be able to make contact with dead people.


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 4

STRANGELY STRANGE ( A brain on a spring )

I think the problem is there are always some people prepared to prey on vulnerable people.
Death leaves people at their most vulnerable so may grasp at straws, the more tragic the death the more vulnerable people may be.
No one, however strong they may think they are, is immune from vulnerabilty at such times.


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 5

Mugfungus

And here we are in a world where Derek Anconah (sp?) is a free man.


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 6

Stealth "Jack" Azathoth

And Rabbis and Priests and Vicars...


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 7

2legs - Hey, babe, take a walk on the wild side...

Psychiatrists are, I would imagine basing their work and methodology on a peer reviewed bank of research which pressumbably shows statistically the ethercy of given methodologies smiley - ermsmiley - weirdsmiley - scientistsmiley - ghost Tis beyond me how people still in this age can resort to the equivelent of visiting the 'wise man/woman', or 'shaman/wizzard... smiley - ermsmiley - huhsmiley - vampire


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 8

Xanatic

Well if a psychic is commiting actual fraud, then something really should be done. Randi has some interesting examples. But some probably just hear voices in their head and want to help people.


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 9

Mugfungus

Aren't people that hear voices in their head usually given large doses of procycladin (sp?) and sat down in a room somewhere?


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 10

U7357340

"Shouldn't 'clairvoyants' and 'spiritual healers' be arrested for inflicting, or prolonging, mental suffering?"

smiley - sorry I've only just arrived in this conversation.
Why are you having a go at clairvoyants and spiritual healers.
The ones I have met try to help people.

What do you mean about prolonging mental suffering?

smiley - erm


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 11

Mugfungus

People lose people and they need to accept that the people they have lost are gone. Clairvoyants delay this by pretending that they can contact the dead. This might be a short term comfort for the ignorant but will ultimately just delay the grieving process.


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 12

Xanatic

Or it might make them very happy knowing that dead personĀ“s spirit is still around.


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 13

U7357340

Some people take longer to grieve than others.

Don't mix up 'spiritual healers' with 'clairvoyants'.
They are quite different.

A spiritual healer would be more likely to help someone who is grieving than a clairvoyant.


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 14

Mugfungus

That person's dead spirit is *not* still around. Is deceiving the vulnerable really a commendable ideal?


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Post 15

U7357340

"Or it might make them very happy knowing that dead personĀ“s spirit is still around."

You can never actually "know" whether they are around or not.


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Post 16

Mugfungus

Yep, spiritual healers choose to fleece people in a different way.


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Post 17

Xanatic

I just think I would grieve less if I could believe they were still around. Sadly I tend toward the wormfood school of thought.


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Post 18

Mugfungus

'You can never actually "know" whether they are around or not.'

They're dead, therefore they're not around.


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Post 19

U7357340

"Aren't people that hear voices in their head usually given large doses of procycladin (sp?) and sat down in a room somewhere?"

It isn't like that.
It is more a feeling of something being there rather than voices 'telling you'...

Were they saying they had voices in their head on the programme?


Programme about charlatans BBC2, 22:00 05/02/07

Post 20

Xanatic

I just used hearing voices as an example.


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