h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

This is a sincere question to a urgent issue, one which I think you are aware of.

I think you know that sooner or later you will be banned from this site for repeated trolling and flaming (I STRONGLY suggest that you read the HouseRules). You are just "preaching" as much as you can in the limited time you have left on this site. You know the BBC doesn't tolerate your hate-filled postings elsewhere, so why should they here?

In my opinion, you, and people like you, can be very damaging to a community like this and I feel obliged to keep an eye on you (especially since the moderators won't moderate anything unless someone yikes' it anymore). Any posts or entries or journals I think it might break the house rules will be sent to the moderators. Persistent breaking of the house rules will end up in a ban. I'm not being arrogant or presumptuous here, it say so under "Transgressions" in HouseRules.

So, unless you change your behaviour on this site, which I think you are able to, you will eventually be banned. I think you can change your behaviour, but you will choose not to. I think you want to get as much of your preaching out into the public domain, on a very popular BBC website, because you think it has so much value that someone will come across it and be miraculously "saved". That isn't what this site is about.

My aim of all this is to either; a) change your behaviour so this site and you can coexist, or b) have you banned if you do not.

We'll see how it goes, yeah? I hope we can talk in a civil manner.

Sincerely,

Ste

Apologies, the house rules can be found here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/HouseRules

Ste

Well Ste, it is a sad day when no one but those who agree with the status quo can have freedom of speech. I do not have any hatred in me, but for evil. There is no hatred in my posts, you misread them. Only love for Him who is the Truth and, therefore, antipathy for Him who you serve in hatred for God.

I am sorry you see fit to try and get the Truth of God put down or banned. I only wish you had better things to do, but I understand that your master won't let you do anything but serve him, like I used to, once.

If you are hoping that I am going to join the incoherent and mindless ramblings I see elsewhere, all conducted without any reference to the Owner of this world you are mistaken.

Justin

Justin,

Why were you banned from the BBC Christian Message Board? For consistently abusive and insulting posts.

This site has rules. If you do not follow then you will lose the priviledge of using this site. It is not a matter of freedom of speech, it is a matter of obeying the house rules. The house rules do not allow trolling or flaming. See the page (link given in my last post) for details.

"I do not have any hatred in me, but for evil."
But you think anyone who doesn't fit into your view of Christianity (which you incorrectly label as "pagans") are evil, therefore you spit out your hatred at Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, Mormons or anyone else. It is not acceptable.

Ste

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Hi Justin .

Just thought I'd track you down as you don't seem to be responding to my posts in our conversation.

Either this is because you are busy or that I am right. There is of course one other possible reason and that is because I am a Druid, a pagan and an Apostate.

I am genuinely interested in talking with you, and bear you no malice, but you must choose to do so of your own free will.

If you do not wish to talk with me please feel free to say so and I shall leave you alone.

Blessings,
Matholwch the Apostate /|\.

Justin you must know that calling islam , mormonism and catholicism a sin will offend members of those religions and have the effect of generating hard feelings not to say hatred of your cause. your mission must surely be to get on with others . Incidentally , why is it that no one else who posts here or on the christian board is capable of such venemous language ? You really do seem to excel at it . For the record , you were banned from the christian board for incessant abuse .

Justin,

"The gospel of Jesus Christ is an offence to all but those who are saved"
According to you I am not "saved", the gospel is not offensive to me. Only your postings when you declare all faiths and life-styles that displeases you as "evil" do I find offensive.

"I have no hatred for any human being, but Catholicism, Islam, sodomy, Mormonism, I do hate, with a passion, as it is SIN."
Like that.

"It is a matter of freedom of speech. Clever setting of the house rules which precludes the truth of God does not, by apparently displacing the problem, make it another matter."
That isn't the issue. I am all for free speech, but the fact of the matter is that this site has rules that researchers have to abide by. We could argue all day about whether these rules are right or not (I don't agree with all of them fully) and the right of free speech in a society but that would be missing the point.

I'll say it again: It is about the House Rules which all Reseachers, including yourself, must abide by.

Thanks,

Ste

PS I'm in Southern California, I moved here from England (I'm a Devonian) over a year ago.

Ste, is Justin really advocating hatred for people?
He might be a little tactless (a possibly unparelleled understatement), but I wouldn't say he was being, well, evil. I mean, I'm a JW. If he wants to say that we're pagan, then I pity him for having such a small knowledge of the Bible. But he hasn't insulted me. He just has a different view of what I am - I know I'm doing everything that Jesus commanded us to do, he doesn't know that. If I was going against Jesus commands, he would be right, I would be a pagan, in a sense (though not in the technical definition of the word). By saying I _am_ a pagan, he's merely showing his lack of knowledge - he doesn't know that I'm following Jesus commands.
So, the question is, should he be banned merely for having a lack of knowledge on a subject?
I don't think so, for if that was the case, none of us would remain on here!

Hi Insight,

I never said he was being evil. All I'm saying is that he is breaking the house rules when he insults people by calling *them* and their faith evil. The moderators seem to agree. If you think that someone is breaking the house rules you have the ability to alert the moderators, it is then up to *them* and h2g2 to decide what to do. It isn't up to me whether he should be banned or not, that is a purely editorial decision, so there is no point in discussing that further.

Do you think Justin is breaking the house rules?

Ste

Hmm... is he breaking the Rules?

Trolling? He's stating his opinion... but in a way it seems calculated to cause as much offence as possible. So, trolling, possibly.

Flaming? Hmm... probably.

Should he be banned for it? Difficult one. I don't like the concept of banning people from this place. There are some things I'd say ban someone for - persistent spamming is one, linking to child porn or other illegalities is another. Spouting religious nonsense? Depends. There's a fine line between what I've read of Justin's posts and what the LAW defines as hate speech, incitement to violence, and incitement to racial hatred. A fine line he seems, so far, to have managed not to stray over, at least as far as I've seen, but it's been VERY close in many, many examples.

Although the moderators now only hide messages if someone complains about them, that remains a perfect method of controlling people like Justin who can't or won't control themselves.

Personally, I'd rather not ban him, for one reason I consider good. Every community needs one member who is an example to others, someone EVERYONE knows about. Someone you can point at and say "I may be frothing at the mouth, falling over backwards and spitting out the bitten off remains of my own tongue, but hey, I'm the Einstein and the Dalai f*****g Lama compared to THAT guy!"

Before this site was saved by the BBC, it was run by a company called "The Digital Village".

Ste - would you really want to deprive this community of its very own Digital Village Idiot?

H.

It's all a matter of opinion whether he is breaking the house rules or not. In my opinion, yes, he is. So I yikesed a post as a "test case" and it seems that it is also the opinion of the moderators. If I am wrong and a post that I yikes is found to be a-OK then it will be reinstated, the system works just fine.

His very way of preaching is designed to ilicit angry responses. Basically, his posts are specifically designed to troll to get a reaction. I don't know what he is trying to achieve by insulting those who he is try to "convert", be he is doomed to failure. He thinks he is converting, but he just ends up insulting (flaming/trolling/whatever).

"Although the moderators now only hide messages if someone complains about them, that remains a perfect method of controlling people like Justin who can't or won't control themselves."
Agreed. And that is exactly what I am doing.

I was, um, let's say a tad presumptious in my first post. I really shouldn't have mentioned the word "ban" at all as it's not my place to decide whether to ban or not (obviously). So whether or not I would want to deprive the community of its very own Digital Village Idiot () is neither here nor there. I'll just keep on yikesing the posts that I consider in breach of the house rules and leave the rest to the editors/moderators to decide whether I was right or not, or to make any further decisions. This is all within the framework and rules of the site is it not?



Ste

Absolutely, and if you can be bothered following the guy around and yikesing his worst, you'll be performing a valuable public service.

"He thinks he is converting"

I disagree.

For a start, I disagree with the first two words alone...

But other than flippancy, I don't think he's trying to convert. I honestly don't know what he's trying to do, apart from offend.

His position seems to be (and please, Justin, correct me if I'm wrong) that we are all chattels of his god, that being's property, that we are entirely and solely his and have no worth within ourselves whatsoever. We are further, unsaved sinners worthy of absolutely no respect whatever, unless we happen, somehow (he's not clear how), to be "saved".

Being saved seems to involve having all your sense of humour and compassion for others removed. I'm not sure how his god goes about saving people, and I'm pretty sure I don't want to find out.

I'm pretty certain he's a complete and utter fatalist when it comes to converting people, in fact. Surely, if he believes ANYTHING he writes and isn't just doing it for kicks because he likes winding up people more intelligent than himself, surely there's no POINT trying to convert people?

People are either "saved" (in which case, woohoo), or they're "unsaved", in which case they're sinners and he recommends a violent death. And the crucial point being that the only entity who has any control over whether you're "saved" or not - is his god. So what's the point in worrying? For Justin, or for you? You'll either be saved, or not. There's not a damn thing either Justin or you can do about it. What I don't understand is why he persists in posting stuff about how terrible all these unsaved people are, when if his god was all he was cracked up to be all these terrible sodomites, fornicators and Muslims would see the error of their ways and become arrogant humourless morons with an inferiority complex. Funny, but I don't see that happening to anyone except Justin...

H.

"if you can be bothered following the guy around and yikesing his worst, you'll be performing a valuable public service"
I'll try it for a while to see what comes of it.

"For a start, I disagree with the first two words alone..."
Still not convinced it was a joke huh?

"But other than flippancy, I don't think he's trying to convert. I honestly don't know what he's trying to do, apart from offend."
Converting, warning of our imminent demise or eternal torture in hellfire, whatever. I think he seems to think he's giving everyone fair warning to come round to his way of thinking/belief or else. Pretty simplistic stuff. The guy's certainly on a mission.

I'm not sure what he's up to either. What I do know is that I don't like it one little bit, and when it breaks the house rules I'll yikes it (damn, I'm starting to sound like a broken record aren't I?).

I'm in complete agreement with the rest of what you say though.

Ste *tired and on the brink of going home for the night*

Gentlemen .

It occurs to me that most people have taken the wrong tack with Justin. Some have tried to reason with him and run into a wall of dogma. Others have tried to attack him and only reinforced his obstinate prejudices. Yet more have ignored him which has drawn him on. Each time he is defeated he becomes more justified in his incredibly narrow world view, and each time he becomes of less use to both his people and his God.

If you don't mind I shall take another tack. I shall try to heal him. All I see when I read his posts are pain and confusion. His desperate yearning to belong to something greater than himself. In his desperation he has lost the path that the many good Christians tread, that of openness, love and tolerance. He has painted himself into a dogmatic corner and forgotten most of the teachings of his Christ.

This man is supposed to be a Minister, and ordained representative of his God. Minister, Priest, Imam, Rabbi, Monk all these titles have one thing in common - service.

Justin, if you are reading this you must understand that to take on such a great responsibility means a lot more than simply filling up messageboards with platitudes and dogma. You must serve your chosen community. If this is your community, as it is mine, then what use are you? You do not seem to do anything other than provide a figure of fun to your detractors, and thus are of no use to either their spiritual development or your God's purpose.

Preaching without understanding the people to whom you speak is just whistling in the wind. All the great missionaries learnt this or perished. To understand you must listen, question intelligently, and then listen again.

If you are as truly committed to your God as you claim then how dare you throw away the opportunities he is giving you here? You do nothing to honour his name or make his message attractive to those he would have you serve. Be humble, be grateful and be of use to both this community and your God, by becoming part of it, not its enemy. If you do not then you will fail, and from what I know of your God he doesn't forgive such pig-headed failure lightly.

Blessings,
Matholwch,
Bard of the British Druid Order,
Priest of Bridigh /|\.

Matholwch,

I cannot check the board as often as you apparently can, that is the reason why I have not responded. I don't preach on the streets to be too concerned about responding to people who think they can remove Almighty God by the power of denial!

Tell me, what do you mean by an 'apostate'? Were you a nominal Christian once?

Justin

Hello Joejoe,

Would you like to show me, in the Word of Almighty God, where God's people are in some sort of mission to 'get on with people'? Scripture does say, "As much as lies within you be on good terms with all people." However, if one is to preach God's truth that leads to inevitable conflict.

You are partly right in one thing you say as Jesus said of His disciples "You will be hated of all men for my name's sake."

The truth always cuts, Joejoe. I tell those in demonic religion that their religion is invalid in the eyes of God, not because I wish to get some superior position, but because come Judgement Day they will go for the burning if they do not find Jesus Christ Himself, and get delivered of sin. It is not superiority of a religion which drives me, at all! But love for the sinner, who, will not find any freedom from sin anywhere else but in Christ. Mere religion, even ABOUT Him, is not sufficient.

It is not hatred of people which you interpret as 'venemous language', but hatred of the evil religion's and lies which defy God now, and will damn all their adherents to a lake of fire. My venom is not against people, but evil.

I was not banned from the Christian board for incessant abuse, but for incessant refusal to tolerate anything but God's truth. That is not something the BBC, which is not staffed with godly and decent folks, likes. They want all religions to homogenise and have 'harmony'. You cannot have that when you insist, as they do, in putting Christians together with nominal Christians on the same board.

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As a newcomer here I wonder if someone would explain to me, who is not trained in inane-speak what 'trolling' and 'flaming' are?

Justin

Matholwch,

I am not sure you should, as someone is an outsider and stranger to Jesus Christ, be teaching someone who knows Him what is, and what is not right.

You suggestions as to correct Christian practice might accord the the pope religion, for instance, and most of Anglicanism, but has no register in the Truth of God whatever, friend.

Quite how an enemy of God thinks he has the capacity to teach a servant of God is one of the wonders of the world!

My master knows exactly what He is doing, and I simply do as led. With some human imperfection mixed in, I concede.

Justin