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bobstafford

Entry: Hadrians Wall Part 1: History of the Edge of an Empire - A28868160
Author: Bob Stafford. ACE smiley - smiley Join The h2g2 Book Club @ A20154070 (Keeper of The Treacle Shadow) - U3151547

Hadrians Wall Part 1: History of the Edge of an Empire.
I have split this in to several parts please comment
It will part of this set finished and in EGWW.
Hadrians Wall Part 2: A Journey Along the Edge of the Empire. A28868250
Hadrians Wall Part 3: The Staffordshire Moorlands Patera. A28801811

And to be finished.
Hadrians Wall Part 4: The Western Costal Defences. A26859072
Hadrians Wall Part 5: The Forts And Camps North Of Hadrians Wall. A27788304

Please comment

Bob


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Elentari

Is this going to be a University project, Bob? You've got five, so you could if you wanted.


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Skankyrich [?]

If you decide to go that route, Bob, I'd be happy to Sub it for you - though you'd have to be prepared to wait a week or so before I do anything, as I'm away for most of next week.


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bobstafford

Thank you Skankyrich if you think its ok 2 or 3 of the entries need some work OK then you let me know when you are ready. smiley - magic


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Skankyrich [?]

Ok. In that case, it's probably best to leave these where they are for now and get some general comments about the content. When I get back, you can then take them out and I'll get subbing rights to them and take over. Sound ok?


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bobstafford

Sounds smiley - magic thanks again


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Skankyrich [?]

No probs. In the meantime, I know you've still got Parts 4 and 5 to finish, but could you make up the Uni project page? You've got a little over a week before I can do anything anyway, so there's no rush - just give me a shout when you're done smiley - ok


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Skankyrich [?]

In fact, talking of walls, have you seen the collaboration at F57153?thread=4769703 - we need a bit about Hadrian's Wall smiley - winkeye


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Elentari

Did you know Hadrian's Wall was originally whitewashed?


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Post 10

bobstafford

Yes Elentari that must have been like painting the Forth bridge


The Wall
In the bottom of this section
Throughout its length the front of the wall was protected with a deep ditch and a bank. When completed the wall was on average 5 metres high and 2.023 meters wide. smiley - smiley There is evidence that when the wall was compleated it was lime washed to make it appear more imposing to the invader from the north. smiley - smiley

Banks and Ditches

Thank you for the input it needs to be clearer.

Bob...smiley - smiley


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vogonpoet (AViators at A13264670)

Ye Gods! Turn your back for a few days and when you return, one entry has become 5!

Certainly sounds like a good idea to make it a Uni Project smiley - ok.

How come A710227 doesn't have the cute linking header thingy like the others in the Hammer project, eg A710236?

Did you get round to making the project page Bob?

A540299 makes it all sound very complicated, and the place looks deserted - but nevermind...

Umm, I will have some suggestions regarding structure and stuff, but in the meantime, something to think about - each entry should make sense as a stand alone entry, and having said that, you should try to avoid repeating yourself between entries as much as possible.

Example of how these two goals will conflict slightly:
Part 3: Begins too suddenly as standalone entry, and you are left asking "err, what bowl?"

Meanwhile in part 2 you say
"The Roman name for Hadrians wall is unknown, there is some evidence provided by an inscription on a bowl known as the Staffordshire Moorlands Patera that they called it the Vallum Aelium, or the Aelian frontier."

and in part 1 the information is in a footnote.

My sugesstion would be to remove the paragraph entirely from part 2, and paste in into the top of part 3, as the start of the Patera entry, and then describe the bowl, and put in the Who was Draco section, then put the forts mentioned on the bowl at the end of part 3.

(btw, I cant find any mention of Draco elsewhere, feels like something is missing linking him to bowl - I assume the name appears somewhere on the bowl?)

I would then put the reference to the bowl in footnote 2 of Part 1 into the main text, and insert a link to Part 3.

Does that make sense so far?

vp


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bobstafford

Hi vogonpoet
OK have a check of the alteratins so far. I hope that is what you ment,

Bob...smiley - smiley


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Post 13

bobstafford

Skankyrich has agreed to put this through the UNI will it heed posting, or will he do it.

Bob...smiley - smiley


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vogonpoet (AViators at A13264670)

Think the project home page is your responsibilty.

Not thats its too difficult - its just to keep track of all the entries in the project, and their completion status. - As far as I can tell, all it really needs is the info you have in post 1 of this here convo.


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vogonpoet (AViators at A13264670)

Is the spelling for the bowl patera or patria? Is this some latin case issue smiley - erm?


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vogonpoet (AViators at A13264670)

Sorry about the triple posting.
Just in case you don't see it, I left you a message on your personal space Bob, re Part 3.

No more postings from me here until someone else says something, honest.
vp


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Elentari

Hello. How's that? smiley - winkeye


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Post 18

bobstafford

Its patera VP


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vogonpoet (AViators at A13264670)

smiley - smiley

How's this all going Bob?

Previous last things first:
1/ Seems to be some instances of patria in the Who Was Draco section of Part 3, hence my middle post above.

2/ Part 4 will need some sort of intro.

Once you reckon all the entries are definitely near completion and structured properly, we can step back and make sure they are logically laid out, without too much information redundancy, and maintain story flow.

In the meantime, I shall be reading Part 5, which seems to be well in progress, and then I will re-read part 1.

Catch you later,
smiley - alevp


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Post 20

bobstafford

Hi VP
I have had a tweek of part 4 please comment. And some of part 3 I hope that is what you ment.

Bob...smiley - smiley


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