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QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 81

A Super Furry Animal

Did they rob someone who was on the way to a sperm bank?

RFsmiley - evilgrin


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 82

Malabarista - now with added pony

Anything to do with, uh, what's it called, "genital retraction syndrome"?

I think we have an Entry on it, if I'm permitted to use the search engine to find it...


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 83

Taff Agent of kaos


he pinched his nuts

smiley - bat


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 84

Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic.

RF - no.


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 85

Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic.

I think Mal and Taff share points on that one.

+3 each.

The thief was accused of stealing the other man's genitals.


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 86

Malabarista - now with added pony

(h2g2 article, in that case: A593354)


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 87

Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic.

Okay I'll get writing up the explanation.....


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 88

Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic.

Yes, now it's an odd one this because the question wasn't really about what actually happened but what was thought had happened because genital retraction syndrome is a form of mass societal delusion.

I got started on this topic after reading this article in the spectator.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/print/the-magazine/features/3688848/tony-gordon-and-peter-saved-labour-now-theyll-destroy-it.thtml

Which perenial watchers of the UK political scene will no doubt be aware The Great Leader was nearly deposed by a revolution that wasn't quiet up to The Bolsheviks stormign the Winter Palace (alas).

Anyway it describes the collective delusion of The Cabinet now loyal to Brown as one of the latest forms of collective delusion - and that sounded like perfect fodder for a QI question.

So I did a little digging.

I managed to track down an online edition of the celebrated "Epidemics of the Middle Ages" by J.F.C Hecker a german physician in 1844.

http://tiny.cc/Hecker

It details some old (but by no means the oldest) tales of cases of mass hysteria.

Notable (on page 158) is a footnote concerning a nunnery in France where the occupants began mewing like cats. smiley - blackcat Cats were greatly feared as familiars of the devil in 16th century France, and the regular caterwauling coming from over the walls of the Convent was put the willies up the local Christian Population until the local police station a unit of soldiers armed with rods, who threatened to beat the nuns unless they promised to stop this immediately. They promised. This was not the most bizaree case of affliction amongst the holy sisterhood. In Germany Hecker recounts a tale from Zimmerman of the German Nun Biting Epidemic, where one nun began biting her fellow cloistered inmates, so they were all biting each other. This then spread from convent to convent all across Germany from Saxony to Brandenburg and later spread as far as Holland and Rome.

Which brings us to Penis Snatching. If Stephen Fry and cohorts can consort of matters gynecological then why can't I?

I found this article by frank Bures which goes into some detail of the phenomenon and is well worth reading...
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/06/0082063

Here are some highlights...

"No one is entirely sure when magical penis loss first came to Africa. One early incident was recounted by Dr. Sunday Ilechukwu, a psychiatrist, in a letter some years ago to the Transcultural Psychiatric Review. In 1975, while posted in Kaduna, in the north of Nigeria, Dr. Ilechukwu was sitting in his office when a policeman escorted in two men and asked for a medical assessment. One of the men had accused the other of making his penis disappear. "

[...]

"According to Ilechukwu, an epidemic of penis theft swept Nigeria between 1975 and 1977. Then there seemed to be a lull until 1990, when the stealing resurged. “Men could be seen in the streets of Lagos holding on to their genitalia either openly or discreetly with their hand in their pockets,” Ilechukwu wrote. “Women were also seen holding on to their breasts directly or discreetly, by crossing the hands across the chest. . . . Vigilance and anticipatory aggression were thought to be good prophylaxes. This led to further breakdown of law and order.” In a typical incident, someone would suddenly yell: Thief! My genitals are gone! Then a culprit would be identified, apprehended, and, often, killed."

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"The first known reports of “genital retraction” date to around 300 B.C., when the mortal dangers of suo-yang, or “shrinking penis,” were briefly sketched in the Nei Ching, the Yellow Emperor’s Classic Text of Internal Medicine. Also in China, the first full description of the condition was recorded in 1835, in Pao Siaw-Ow’s collection of medical remedies, which describes suo-yang as a “ying type of fever”

"Fears of magical penis loss were not limited to the Orient. The Malleus Maleficarum, medieval Europeans’ primary guidebook to witches and their ways, warned that witches could cause one’s membrum virile to vanish, and indeed several chapters were dedicated to this topic. Likewise the Compendium Maleficarum warned that witches had many ways to affect one’s potency, the seventh of which included “a retraction, hiding or actual removal of the male genitals.” (This could be either a temporary or a permanent condition.)"

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"How is Western medicine supposed to categorize such ailments as hikikomori, in which Japanese children refuse to leave their rooms for years on end, or dhat, in which Indians and Sri Lankans become ill with anxiety over semen loss, or zar, in which some Middle Easterners and North Africans are possessed by a spirit, or hwa-byung, the “fire illness” of Korean women in which anger is said to be manifesting itself in physical symptoms including “palpitations” and “a feeling of mass in the epigastrium”? How can we fit these, and a dozen other ailments, neatly into the pages of the DSM-IV, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the Western bible of maladies of the mind? The fact is that there was no good place until Pow Meng Yap created one—ill-fitting as it may be—for these unruly members of the family of mental conditions whose causes cannot be found just in one mind but instead must be sought in the social. These conditions are not purely psychogenic, as psychiatry’s universalists once held all things must be. They are also sociogenic, or emerging from the social fabric."

[...]

"In other words, everything else in the DSM-IV, and in life, is culture-bound, too. While koro and its culture-bound kin languish at the back, other conditions such as multiple personality disorder, bulimia nervosa, type A personality, muscle dysmorphia, belief in government-implanted computer chips, and pet hoarding are given universal status because Western psychiatrists cannot see beyond their own cultural horizons."

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The conditions were called culture-bound syndromes as they relied in part of wide-spread culturally reinforced beliefs to permeate and promulgate the delusion.

In Africa the widespread use and superstitious adherence to Juju Magic is manifest in the tale (described in the Harper article) where Frank Bures goes to visit a man reported in the local news who suffered having his penis stolen and is confronted by his associates who state that the woman (in this case) took his penis because she needed it for JuJu magic or as a ransom.

Juju market traders make a brisk trade selling protection against penis theft or advising exactly how one my clasp their genitals in public so to ward off anyone attempting to steal them. All too often thought the person suspected of stealing another genitals were beatne to death or lynched by a mob keen to kill the one who may have stolen their genitals.


As Bures notes sardonically : "In April 2001, mobs in Nigeria lynched at least twelve suspected penis thieves. In November of that same year, there were at least five similar deaths in neighboring Benin. One survey counted fifty-six “separate cases of genital shrinking, disappearance, and snatching” in West Africa between 1997 and 2003, with at least thirty-six suspected penis thieves killed at the hands of angry mobs during that period. These incidents have been reported in local newspapers but are little known outside the region."


The point is, this is a phenomenon begat not just by one person getting some wild idea in their head and running with it - Like General Jack D Ripper -, but a shared societal delusion.

For example - and for points - what happened following the broadcast of 'War of The Worlds' by Orson Welles on CBS MErcury Theatre Radio on Halloween's Eve 1938?

smiley - martiansmilesmiley - ufo


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 89

pedro

Folk believed it was true and had a mass panic.


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 90

Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic.

Oooh dear. "Mass Panic in Manhatten" smiley - bluelight Pedro -5


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 91

Taff Agent of kaos


there was a panic as people believed the show to be a real news cast and that martians were realy landing and attacking the human race

smiley - bat


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 92

Malabarista - now with added pony

Due, I believe, to a baseball game that ran into overtime on another channel, so a lot of people missed the introduction...


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 93

Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic.

This idea got going after societal researcher from Princeton, Harvey Cantrill, sought to use the reported anxiety experienced by many people in the Jersey area to study panic.

http://tiny.cc/martianinvaders

He concluded

However, recent reviews of Cantrill's work has cast doubt on many of his findings.
Miller 1985; Bainbridge 1987; Goode 1992 are all sociologists and reviewed in detail many of Cantrill's sources for his analysis.

http://www.csicop.org/si/9811/martian.html


"These examples have been usually overlooked in subsequent popular and scholarly discussions of the panic. One person became convinced that they could smell the poison gas and feel the heat rays as described on the radio, while another became emotionally distraught and felt a choking sensation from the imaginary "gas" (Cantril 1947, 94-95). During the broadcast several residents reported observations to police "of Martians on their giant machines poised on the Jersey Palisades" (Markush 1973, 379). After checking various descriptions of the panic, Bulgatz (1992, 129) reported that a Boston woman said she could actually see the fire as described on the radio; other persons told of hearing machine gun fire or the "swish" sound of the Martians. A man even climbed atop a Manhattan building with binoculars and described seeing "the flames of battle. Cantril (1947) cited the case of Miss Jane Dean, a devoutly religious woman, who, when recalling the broadcast, said the most realistic portion was "the sheet of flame that swept over the entire country. That is just the way I pictured the end" (181). In reality, there was no mention of a sheet of flame anywhere in the broadcast."

What is not in doubt is that people did react to the broadcast with feelings of heightened anxiety, however there is little to no evidence of a mass panic.

They suggest that the media picked up Cantrill's work and the idea of a mass exodus and panic was mobilised.


From the same link above:

"Based on various opinion polls and estimates, Cantril calculated that of about 1.7 million people who heard the drama, nearly 1.2 million "were excited" to varying degrees (58). Yet there is only scant anecdotal evidence to suggest that many listeners actually took some action after hearing the broadcast, such as packing belongings, grabbing guns, or fleeing in motor vehicles. In fact, much of Cantril's study was based on interviews with just 135 people. Bainbridge (1987) is critical of Cantril for citing just a few colorful stories from a small number of people who panicked. According to Bainbridge, on any given night, out of a pool of over a million people, at least a thousand would have been driving excessively fast or engaging in rambunctious behavior. From this perspective, the event was primarily a news media creation. Miller (1985, 100) supports this view, noting that while the day after the panic many newspapers carried accounts of suicides and heart attacks by frightened citizens, they proved to have been unfounded but have passed into American folklore. Miller also takes Cantril to task for failing to show substantial evidence of mass flight from the perceived attack (1985, 106), citing just a few examples and not warranting an estimate of over one million panic-stricken Americans. While Cantril cites American Telephone Company figures indicating that local media and law enforcement agencies were inundated with up to 40 percent more telephone calls than normal in parts of New Jersey during the broadcast, he did not determine the specific nature of these calls:

Some callers requested information, such as which units of national guard were being called up or whether casualty lists were available. Some people called to find out where they could go to donate blood. Some callers were simply angry that such a realistic show was allowed on the air, while others called CBS to congratulate Mercury Theater for the exciting Halloween program. . . . we cannot know how many of these telephone calls were between households. It seems . . . (likely) many callers just wanted to chat with their families and friends about the exciting show they had just listened to on the radio (Miller 1985, 107)."

This of course was before the advent of mass ownership of the visual medium of televisions and people were motivated by strong imaginations - and against a familiar backdrop of societal worry (for African JuJu Weavers, read a still fragile populous recovering from financial meltdown amongst other things) that makes people feel isolated and threatened.

So in the end the image of terrified Jerseyites running amock as unseen aliens raise the next street over to to the ground - all in the grip of some mass hysteria - is not a case of mass delusion becuase it never happened.

However - and ironically - the belief that this event did occur is.

Which again shows the power of societally reinforced cultural memes, this time via mass media.


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 94

Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic.

Indeed many did miss the start.


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 95

Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic.

Delete "he concluded" - it was an unfinished thought...


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 96

Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic.

QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper
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Correct smiley - diva (+3)
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Tzjin (46) - 'He was a thief' smiley - thief

~smiley - spaceJwfsmiley - space~smiley - space (47) - 'Dr Strangelove or How I learnt to stop worrying and Love The Bomb / Precious Bodily Fluids / Purity of Essence smiley - spacesmiley - spacesmiley - snork

Taff & Mal (82 /83) - "genital retraction syndrome" smiley - yikes



Decreasing General Ignorance Bonus smiley - doh (+1)
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Bob (23) - 'Lublocks' (It was relevant afterall) smiley - winkeye

Taff (18) - 'Jack Ripper'

Taff(78) - 'Stealing the Crown Jewels.

Toybox (31) - 'a strange case of Collective Hallucination' smiley - weird

Global (69) - "Pick Pockets"



Quite Interesting Bonus. smiley - eureka (+6)
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None Awarded.



Klaxon smiley - bluelight (-5)
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Wandering Albatross (2) - 'Sharia Law'

Taff (17) - Apostasy

Taff (29) - 'Adultery'

Taff (49) smiley - hsif Jehova!

Toybox (31) - 'Mistaken Identity'

Global (61) - Witchcraft/doctors.



QI Elf Bonus smiley - elf (+2)
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Clive.



Totals



Tzjin +3

Jwf +3

Mal +3

Clive +2

Bob +1

Toybox -4

Global -4

Taff -10


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 97

Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic.

Past my bed-time again! smiley - yawn

G'night. smiley - zzz

Hope you enjoyed it.


QI - The Prescriptions and Prognostications of General J. D. Ripper

Post 98

Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic.

In case you were wondering, this was the exchange between Ripper and Mandrake that I was thinking of:

Ripper:

"Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridated water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake. Children's ice cream?"

Mandrake: "Good Lord!"

Ripper: "You know when fluoridation first began?"

Mandrake: "No. No, I don't, Jack. No."

Ripper:

"Nineteen hundred and forty six. Nineteen fortysix, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your postwar commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard core commie works."

Mandrake: "Jack... Jack, listen, tell me, ah... when did you first become, well, develop this theory?"

Ripper:

"Well, I ah, I I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love."

Mandrake: (sighs fearfully)

Ripper:

"Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of essence."

Mandrake:

"Yes..."

Ripper:

"I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women... women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence."

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Ripper seems to have been suffering from an accute case of dhat!

But I was going with the 'correct interpretation of the sensation of loss and emptiness.' smiley - winkeye

smiley - doctor


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