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Taff Agent of kaos Started conversation May 18, 2011
does this story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13416431
change the calculations of the amount of matter in the universe???
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted May 18, 2011
Not really, because they already knew how much matter there is in the galaxies, and not by counting the stars. The figure for the mass of a galaxy is got from watching how it interacts with other galaxies.
Counting the stars and multiplying by the average mass per star gave a much smaller figure for the whole galaxy than the figure got by observing the galaxy's behaviour. There was always a discrepancy there with no explanation. They invented a hypothetical "dark matter" to try and explain the difference.
Perhaps these isolated planets are part of the dark matter.
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Taff Agent of kaos Posted May 18, 2011
but if these planets are part of the dark matter, but are normal matter, then the amount of real dark matter must be a bit less than originally calculated??
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted May 18, 2011
Yes. But "real dark matter" is a bit of a contradiction, because dark matter is something that they don't know exists. It is just a missing bit in an equation.
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Taff Agent of kaos Posted May 18, 2011
so if we have all these rouge planets in space, why can't there be enormous asteroid fields in interstella space accounting for more of this unacounted for matter
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted May 18, 2011
I think current thinking is that interstellar gas doesn't form into small lumps, it forms into big lumps, which become stars, so these "rogue" planets must have formed in solar systems and been thrown out into interstellar space by close encounters of the gravitational kind. A small number of people think they might have formed themselves in situ.
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Deadangel - Still not dead, just! Posted May 19, 2011
Would it necessarily have to be a gravitational interaction with another star?
Could it, for example be due to a Neptune orbit planet having 'wandered off' after the main star went through the red giant phase and, having lost so much of it's mass, no longer having the gravitational pull to keep it? Or would that affect the outer planets to the extent that they'd have most (or all) of their gas blown away?
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Z Posted May 19, 2011
Why do the BBC *never* link to the real paper and just to the website of the journal it's published in.
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Z Posted May 19, 2011
Wouldn't a great science fiction story involve life on a planet without a star. They could get all their fuel from nuclear reaction or something..
*plots*
Anyway clicking around on the nature website has led me to lots of interesting information, they've got high quality textbooks as free e books...
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Orcus Posted May 19, 2011
>so if we have all these rouge planets in space<
Is that to go with all the bleu, and blanche planets in the galaxy?
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The Twiggster Posted May 19, 2011
What a bleak storyline. Very good though.
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