h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Are braindead imbeciles.

Do we really need people with this kind of attitude on the forum?

I think not.

This WWE fan of over two decades with a raft of qualifications, a degree and a genius-level IQ proves you wrong...sorry.

There is an old saying, if you don't like what you watch or see there is always the off button.
In the end alot of people do like this style of entertainment, including myself, so my attitude is quite simple: live and let live.

Intelligence and sense are not the same thing.

I stand by my comments.

Intelligence and sense are not the same thing.

I stand by my comments.

Intelligence and sense are not the same thing.

I stand by my comments.

Shame, since your comments are fundamentally flawed.

To be braindead in the real sense of the term requires that a persons higher cognative functions be non-existant whilst their body remains alive despite this fact, the person in effect is in a vegetative state.

As I'm typing this response right now under my own steam, that's the first part sunk with the unerring torpedo of logic.

The second accusation, that of being a moron. My dictionary defines a moron as: "an adult with intelligence equal to that of average child of 8-12; or a very stupid, degenerate person." Since my mental age has always been on average five to ten years above that of my physical age (and I'm in my twenties right now) that's the first defenition falling short. Secondly, my IQ says that I'm not stupid by any measure and I never met a degerate with a writing career and a taste for the classics.

Intelligence and sense may not be the same thing, but as I have both in great volumes, I'm afraid you're still presenting a flawed and unsound argument.

Nyarlathotep has logically proven that he is by no means braindead, and as one counterexample is really sufficient to prove a statement wrong, particularly one as sweeping, not to mention sloppy, as the one made here by a nameless researcher, i shall take it upon myself to anticipate the next argument, proving that pro-wrestling aficionados are by no means given to unnecessary violence, by the simple expedient of refraining from any swearwords in the direction of said nameless researcher.

I thank you, Del!

Anytime! *cool whisper reminiscent of Sgt. Mac in Predator*

Good arguements from the both of you.
Again I don't class myself as braindead or an imbecile.
My attitude is simple.
With the amount of senseless killings, and before the unnanmed researcher decides to blame it on TV there is still NO evidence that TV violence causes real life violence, Wars and terrorism in the world a forum like this should be expressing our points of views on different issues.
To state simply that people who like a particular type of entertainment are braindead is not a proper cohesive arguement.
His next arguement shows his type of behaviour when instead of placing his "arguement" in the forum once he places it in three times.
In nettiquette terms this is a form of agressive behaviour, quite strange when you consider he doesn't watch violence.
I don't like football and never have BUT I would not degrade people who do watch it, in the end it their form of entertainment. The only time I get angry with football is when programs I want to watch are cancelled for it.
But then again I always have the opportunity to turn the TV over or switch it off
To put a final point to this, in the end my attitude is that the world would be a very boring place if everyone liked the same things so I think "Live and let live".
As to the unnamed researcher, if you have nothing of interest to contribute and no valid arguements to back up your points then stay out of the conversations!

That's interesting, i just had occasion in another context to remark on similar contradictions in those who see it as their mission to improve their fellow humans. Militant pacifists, violent right-to-lifers, racist victims of racism were the examples i put forward.
Violence is not caused by tv, it is caused by egoism pared with lack of compassion or at the very least of imagination. Which often starts with parents neglecting their damn duty of showing their kids the difference between right and wrong, meaning between injurious and considerate behaviour towards their fellow creatures.
I said it earlier somewhere, a long time ago, so i might be excused for saying it again, I haven't become any more violent by watching wrestling, all to the contrary, it has provided me with a valve for violent feelings, before they can turn inside and give me an inhibition or exhibition in the whatnot, don't you see.
And i particularly like that it's "fake", boxing now, i rarely watch, as it's far too brutal for my taste.
And not to forget those superbly built male bodies in action, not much "fake" there, well some exciting exaggeration maybe, but that's another psychological subset to itself.

I am not interested in the male bodies BUT wow the females are brilliant.
Great to see someone with the same attitude as me, teaching right from wrong should start at home.
To many times I hear parents talking to their kids as though they are a peice of garbage. I wouldn't talk to my worst enemies as they do and yet when you say something to them you end up with a mouthfull of abuse or worse a fist.
Yet these kids are going to end up being the next generation of parents, God help us!
It from this type of background that I can see our anonimous freind coming from.
Instead of sitting back and chilling out and changing the channel on his TV he watches programs then moans to the World about it and this justs gets everyones back up.
If he is not interested in pro-wrestling why subscibe to a conversation discussing it.
In the end I enjoy it. It's a good laugh and thats all.
There is a line from a song that I think is more relevant now than ever before and it is "What the World needs now is love sweet love" AND no I am not talking about SEX!

I have often pondered the question of violence in the media and have to agree that there is no real evidence to suggest that it makes us more violent as individuals. Removing violence from entertainment media will in the end have no real effect on society as a whole becuase at the end of the day what makes a rational human being act in a violent manner is their own personality and lack of self-control. Prohibition never stopped people wanting to drink and outlawing certain lifestyle choices has never caused them to die out. Labelling something so fundamental as violence an evil vice that must be wiped out is nieve in the extreme. I don't mean to say that violence is to be applauded and encouraged, just that we need to acknowledge that it is an aspect of human nature and can never be fully suppressed.

But in addition to this I do believe that there is a valid argument to say that pro-wrestling should perhaps be kept from the eyes of the very young. Pro-wrestling is performed by adults and thus it's product is adult in nature. In the UK, WWE programming is shown constantly over the course of the weekend on Sky tv and the editions that air before the watershed are heavily censored. As a result the audience of these programmes is primerily (but not exclusivley) quite young. They are treated to all the sexual content of the WWE product, but have the images of chair-shots and other "non-wrestling" violence neatly replaced with the frame freezing just before impact. When the WWE was shown on terrestrial channels they went further and edited out the blood and shock of the impact giving the unmissable message: "Hey kids, being hit in the head with a metal folding chair doesn't hurt one bit!"

I love pro-wrestling for the pomp, the violence and the gratuitous imagery (Victoria, Nidia, Ivory...genius!). But I have to say that I'd never let a child of my own watch it, much as I adore it.

Of course there's nothing to stop anyone allowing their kids to watch pro-wrestling, and I wouldn't judge anyone who did.

This is my opinion alone, it is not a sermon and I do not mean to preach...just for the record.

Truth to tell, i'd taken it for granted that i wouldn't let the young impressionable watch as HHH finds out how hard the fall is Mankind can take, but i s'pose one mustn't, in these litigatious times when there is always somebody else to be blamed. The fat blame fastfood, the smokers ... oh well, don't get me goin'...actually drinkers seem to be quite sensible souses, we never sue anyone, do we? We know when we wake up with a motorman's glove in our mouth (thank you Raymond Chandler, nobody has ever described that feeling better) we know perfectly well that it's our own damn fault.

In the end we all try to blame some one else for the troubles in the World eg Goverment, other countries, foriegners, illegal immigrants, etc.
We seem to find this a good excuse for the troubles and for the elements in the World that we can not control.
When there is violence in the World TV seems a good scapegoat and see how many people have used this as a defence most notably the copying of a scene from Childs Play by the murderers of Jamie Bulger.
Never was the question asked why two children of such a young age watching a film that was rated for adults BUT then again how many adults have videos on show that their children can get their hands on and watch.
We could censor TV and videos to the extent that nothing "untowards" is shown in them but then again who's ideals would this represent. Do we want to go to the extent of Big Brother where all our thoughts and actions are controlled?
But if we sensor then what about books, newspapers and finally the news itself?
I have always been against censorship....and no its not because I want to watch porn...then again why not!.
But in the end I don't like being told by someone else that I am not mature physically and mentally to watch something because it may "warp" me.
I know the difference between real life and films, books, TV series, etc.
Also when you think about it why should only a select few be aloud to watch stuff that we are deemed not capable of watching.
I know certain things do have to be banned but let them be banned on legal reasons eg child porn, snuff movies, etc.
Boy isn't this interesting and shows how well a good forum works. We started talking about pro-wrestling and have gone to violence in the World to is TV responsible to censorship.
In some respects this is what a good discussion forum should do!

Just goes to show that rasslin' fans are the nicest so'nsos around, what?

I consider the legal grounds that direct all other aspects of life a perfectly sufficient base for banning anything. I think it's dangerous for society to ban anything on any other grounds, openin' up all sorts of ugly possibilities for meddlin' bastards to meddle in their fellow humans life.

Not to mention there's tactical reasons, I only need to look at the magazines, videos etc a guy possesses to see if i want to know him. Which would be more difficult if i had to search under the socks, what?

HI I'M THE ORIGINAL KANYONATIC who the person slating people as brain dead was answering to.I haven't been on here in a while but i now go under guerreroatic.I just wanted to say that parents who let their children watch wwe wrestling should tell them that the chair shots and chains used are used in a way to minimise the hurt and pain i.e. the chair shots are done in a way that the chair may hurt but if done right doesn't cause damage,of course i dont expect them to allow them to use chairs on each other etc.The blood obiviously comes from blading i.e a ref hands the wrestler a blade or the wrestler uses one making a cut in his head for blood to pour out also known as crimson mask but wrestling fans would know this anyway.However

although its all fake parents should also point out that the injuries are very very real and they could end up in a wheel chair.

My son is 13 (soon0 and he wants to be a wrestler has wanted to sice he was 9 and i have no problems with that as long as he gets his exams first - Over half the wwe wrestlers are christian and backstage look after each other very well.There is only the odd few who do aim to hurt for real and are generally not nice people.

I take my son to the wrestling at the local theatre where he meets american and british wrestlers infact an american said he would help my son when he needed a trainer so that is good.

I smiled when wrestling fans were called "braindead" as like many fans my son is very intelligent and in the gifted and talented class at school,i myself am no dumb brain either but it was nice to come back after a long time and read all your comments

thankyou to you all

Maybe it's time that an anit-defamation league was formed by pro-wrestling fans? It seems to me that there are people prepared to stereotype and discriminate in the case of pro-wrestling fans who would be shocked to then be accused of prejudice as a result. No matter how many times the industry and the more eloquent fans express themselves on the issue there always seems to be some ignorant individual who wants to dump on pro-wrestling as a "fake sport."

In such cases I like to quote Roland Barthes:

"Wretling partakes of the of the nature of great solar spectacles, Greek Drama and bullfights: in both, a light without shadow generates an emotion without reserve...At such a pitch, it no longer matters whether the passion is genuine or not. What the public wants is the image of passion, not passion itself. There is no more a problem in the truth of wrestling than in the truth of theatre. In both, what is expected is the intelligible representation of moral situations which are usually private. This emptying out of interiority to the benefit of its exterior signs, this exhaustion of the content by the form, is the very pinacle of triumphant classical art."