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Ravenbait Started conversation Mar 25, 2003
Entry: Bicycle User Groups - A990425
Author: Ravenbait - U220650
My second submission for the edited guide - an article about BUGs. A surpisingly little known topic, and I think they are the future of integrated commuter transport. But I'm biased
A990425 - Bicycle User Groups
Iridium Posted Mar 25, 2003
What a damned good idea, now it's just a matter of convincing people of the benefits and getting them of their fat arses Hmm, just thought, wouldn't be too attractive a possibility where I live, graet for cycling in to work but the 100m climb up the hill in the evening...
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Ravenbait Posted Mar 25, 2003
Where do you live?
I live on the second highest point in Devon. It's 2 miles of uphill slog at the end of an 18 mile commute. Hills are something you get used to
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Ashtree Posted Mar 26, 2003
Hi, a good entry - but i don't see a link to Sustrans. Here it ishttp://www.sustrans.org.uk/webcode/home.asp?ID=1
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Ravenbait Posted Mar 26, 2003
Why do I want a link to Sustrans?
Sustrans routes are for leisure riders and family pootlers. In the majority of cases their surfaces are too poor, their lines of sight too limited and they are too likely to be shared by pedestrians and people with dogs to be of much use to the serious cycle commuter. I am a Sustrans supporter, but I'm afraid that I wouldn't even consider riding on most Sustrans paths. Every time I have done so I have been disappointed by the quality and by how hard it is to make a reasonable speed and reasonable progress .
If I were writing a piece about the National Cycle Network, about safe routes to schools, about family leisure riding or shared use paths, then I would include a link to Sustrans. As it is, I have written a piece about Bicycle User Groups which are usually started for cycle commuters, most of whom want to ride at more than 10mph, and I don't think that Sustrans are terribly relevant, although they may feel free to disagree.
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Number Six Posted Mar 26, 2003
True. Commuting in London I often end up using the main roads, which are far less safe, rather than the signed cycle routes - a lot quieter and safer, but they often entail large numbers of junctions and dog-legs that don't half slow you down.
Currently I try and mix the two...
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Zarquon's Singing Fish! Posted Mar 26, 2003
I think it would be good to link to the Sustrans site, too!
Things like lack of shower facilities can be difficult to overcome. I made enquiries about our building (converting one of the toilets) and was told that it wasn't the cost of conversion that was the stopper, it was the cleaning cost per year for the shower! About five years ago, I was told this would be c£5000/pa! We never did get the shower. We also didn't get bike racks, as the building was owned by a landlord, who wouldn't play ball, despite us having money to put them it, so it's not all plain sailing.
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Ashtree Posted Mar 26, 2003
Sorry, should have been a bit more specific as to why you may wish to link to Sustrans - try this link:
http://www.sustrans.org.uk/webcode/content.asp?ID=430&
which has a couple of useful leaflets for anyone trying to set up a BUG.
I thought they had a leaflet about BUGs for employees too, but I can't find it now.
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Ravenbait Posted Mar 27, 2003
Sorry, I don't agree that Sustrans has very much to do with this. The advice on being a cycle friendly employer is covered in other links I have provided. I'd be quite happy to do a further article on shared use paths and the perception of the roads as dangerous, but I don't think that Sustrans itself has anything very much to add to this particular article, especially as there are rarely coherent and useful Sustrans routes for people to take between their individual places of work and home.
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Peer Review: A990425 - Bicycle User Groups
- 1: Ravenbait (Mar 25, 2003)
- 2: Iridium (Mar 25, 2003)
- 3: Ravenbait (Mar 25, 2003)
- 4: Iridium (Mar 25, 2003)
- 5: Ashtree (Mar 26, 2003)
- 6: Zarquon's Singing Fish! (Mar 26, 2003)
- 7: Ravenbait (Mar 26, 2003)
- 8: Number Six (Mar 26, 2003)
- 9: Zarquon's Singing Fish! (Mar 26, 2003)
- 10: Ashtree (Mar 26, 2003)
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