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Edited Guide Writing Workshop: A87809043 - Intergalactic Rumpot
Deus_X Started conversation Aug 31, 2013
A87809043 - Intergalactic Rumpot
Deus_X Posted Sep 7, 2013
edited some links, and a little more text
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Sep 9, 2013
This sounds really interesting, and I think we certainly need an entry about rumpot in the Guide. But you've approached it as if for an alien visiting Earth - this approach gets rather tiresome after a while if every entry in the Guide is like this, so we don't write the entries like that any more.
We write them to be read by an intelligent but uninformed Earth-person.
You can make the entry humorous if you want, as long as you are not just borrowing the jokes of Douglas Adams. Jokes borrowed from other people are generally not very funny.
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Sep 10, 2013
Hi, there! A rumpot sounds like a good recipe to have.
Gnomon is right - try changing this entry to be about rumpots, without the science-fiction elements.
I'd suggest that you tell us a bit about the history of rumpots, and when and where they're made. Then go to the recipe.
This can make a good Guide Entry.
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Bluebottle Posted Dec 12, 2013
Looks like the author has ed.
I think there's enough here to be rescued (with the changes Dmitri has suggested), so I'd like to propose the Flea Market.
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Peanut Posted Dec 12, 2013
I think on this one it should go back to Deus
If someone wants to make their own entry on Rumpot then they can
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Dec 12, 2013
Peanut, if this is in the Flea Market, then another Researcher can use it as the basis of a new entry, or they can ignore it entirely and write their own entry. There is some useful information in here which it would be a pity to ignore.
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Peanut Posted Dec 12, 2013
Hi Gnomon
Generally I don't involved with these sorts of decisions
It is a very individually written entry and I would feel better if Deus was asked to give their permission to have this submitted to the Flea Market and to be potentially rescued.
In the absence of that, then I think it should go back to the author in this case
I'm not sure it was in the spirit of this submission to be to be put into a sort of process, and altered.
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h2g2 Guide Editors Posted Dec 12, 2013
peanut
"I'm not sure it was in the spirit of this submission to be to be put into a sort of process, and altered."
You're seeming to be trying to overrule the Guide Editors, Dmitri and Bluebottle here? Added to that, Gnomon, who is a previous Guide Editor and one of our most valued and experienced Editorial volunteers.
We're of the opinion that this Entry should be removed to the Flea Market. This is how the Edited Guide Functions. If the author does return, he is welcome to rescue the Entry himself. If another person decides to rescue it, Deus will gain an author credit when the Entry is published.
I hope this clarifies things for you.
Lanzababy
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Peanut Posted Dec 12, 2013
Hi lanzababy
I just was taken with this entry saw it pop up and offered my thoughts on it.
Sorry I thought that was ok,
I didn't even expect it be taken as a challenge let alone any sort of over-ruling, I thought I was casually talking about a proposal that was all
Again sorry for over stepping,
as I said just had an interest in this particular entry
Peanut
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Pastey Posted Dec 12, 2013
When an entry is in Peer Review, it's for ever research to review, comment, and help the writer to produce the best entry they can.
Unfortunately though, often a researcher writes an entry, puts it into Peer Review, and then disappears before it's finished. When this happens, we loose too many good entries that the Guide needs.
So, the way that h2g2 works is that the Guide Editors are able to move these entries out to places like the Flea Market, which is a sort of holding pen where any other researcher can come along, see an entry that needs finishing off, and do the last few things to turn it into a polished Edited Entry.
Gnomon and Bluebottle are two of our most experienced editors and writers, and they know almost instinctively when something should be rescued, such as this entry, or when it should be returned to the author, which tends to only happen if it's not able to be rescued yet.
If you do have a particular interest in this entry, as a researcher for the Guide, you'd be able to pick it up from the Flea Market, and make sure it gets finished and put back into Peer Review to be polished for the Edited Guide!
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Peanut Posted Dec 12, 2013
The information isn't lost though it is still on h2g2 if it goes back to entry
It is a very credit worthy entry, it wasn't ready for peer review, the workshop was a good place for it, AWW, submission to if the author didn't want to polish it for The Guide but still have it on record?
As such I still it as a work in progress,
and again until Deus gives permission for this submission to go to the Flea Market,or in the absence of it, I think it should go back to Deus
my own personal view on this particular entry
That is all
I don't want to chuck spanners, challenge anyone, let alone the rules
so I will just slope off now
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Pastey Posted Dec 12, 2013
But that's not how the Guide works though peanut, I'd thought you'd been around long enough by now to know that
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Lanzababy - Guide Editor Posted Dec 12, 2013
Yes, I'm afraid that is the way we work, and have always done so. There is a consensus between the Editorial volunteers, who have responsibility for looking after the editorial forums, about the suitability of Entries destined for the Guide.
We've improved the movement of Entries both into, and more importantly, *out of* Flea Market since we took over the site from the BBC. No longer is the Flea Market the stagnant pond that it used to be.
Bluebottle, and others, regularly promote good quality Entries that can and should be rescued. We're also very clear about the calibre of Entries that are sent there, with the hopes they can be improved.
I'm afraid we cannot wait for the approval of an author who seems to have left the site. That would be unworkable. The onus is on the author to take ownership of his work, within a reasonable time frame.
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Peanut Posted Dec 12, 2013
'I'm afraid we cannot wait for the approval of an author who seems to have left the site. That would be unworkable. The onus is on the author to take ownership of his work, within a reasonable time frame'
It just that to me doesn't seem quite fitting for this entry though
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Dec 12, 2013
Not meaning to interrupt, but just to point out what a great job everyone is doing with the Flea Market.
You can all enjoy Bluebottle's report in this week's issue of : A87818223
These much -appreciated reports are an excellent way to get updated on this feature of Edited Guide writing.
There is also an archive for back issues.
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Pastey Posted Dec 12, 2013
Sorry peanut, it's good to know everyone's views, but I agree with those that have been doing this for years
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Peanut Posted Dec 13, 2013
Hi Dmitri
I think that Bluebottle does a fantastic job as a volunteer and researcher for the Guide, good on you Bluebottle
And obviously I think the world of you
I didn't imagine for one moment that sharing my thoughts on this entry could have been interpreted as a challenge or as negative comment on the valuable work that *all* the Guide volunteers do.
It was just a comment, well comments, if it,well they, had no influence on the decision that was made I would have just left it that
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Pastey Posted Dec 13, 2013
All comments are taken on board, but the processes have been developed by the active volunteers over the last couple of years they've been doing this, based on what we've been doing since the site started.
The process here is that the GEs can chose where to send it
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Edited Guide Writing Workshop: A87809043 - Intergalactic Rumpot
- 1: Deus_X (Aug 31, 2013)
- 2: Deus_X (Sep 7, 2013)
- 3: Gnomon - time to move on (Sep 9, 2013)
- 4: Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor (Sep 10, 2013)
- 5: Bluebottle (Dec 12, 2013)
- 6: Peanut (Dec 12, 2013)
- 7: Gnomon - time to move on (Dec 12, 2013)
- 8: Peanut (Dec 12, 2013)
- 9: h2g2 Guide Editors (Dec 12, 2013)
- 10: Peanut (Dec 12, 2013)
- 11: Pastey (Dec 12, 2013)
- 12: Peanut (Dec 12, 2013)
- 13: Pastey (Dec 12, 2013)
- 14: Lanzababy - Guide Editor (Dec 12, 2013)
- 15: Peanut (Dec 12, 2013)
- 16: Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor (Dec 12, 2013)
- 17: Pastey (Dec 12, 2013)
- 18: Peanut (Dec 13, 2013)
- 19: Pastey (Dec 13, 2013)
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