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Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor Posted Jul 19, 2002
If I wasnt an ass at least sometimes, (a little) My wife wouldnt like me as much, though she loves it when I am sweet it turns her on when I sometimes think only for myself, or dont consider her... other times it pisses her off, and sometimes she dosnt see my side.... COMMUNICATION IS KEY!!!!
Oh thanks for trying to make me feel better, I lost respect for the girl, but still she didnt want to have sex with the guy, he pesterd her until she did, and then he dragged her off into the woods to do the deed, more or less, It is considered rape if you have sex with someone under the influance who comes out afterward and says she didnt want to, or if she says it beforehand too... EVEN if it is your wife...
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E G Mel Posted Jul 19, 2002
To think of the trouble alcohol causes and they're worried about legalising cannabis 
Mel
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The Butcher Posted Jul 19, 2002
Question--how old was this girl?
It sounds like she was old enough to be responsible for her own decisions. She could have just stopped talking to the guy, right? Or left the party with a friend? Or stayed in the crowd?
There is a growing amount of sentiment that "date rape" as it's called is actually too easy to prosecute, because guys have had their reputations ruined by women who decided the next day that they didn't want to be held responsible for their actions (in my opinion, alcohol is no excuse, and this comes from someone who wrecked a car and lost his license as a result of driving drunk), so the next day they yell "rape" and play the victim, while the guy is left scratching his forehead about what he did wrong. Which is often nothing.
I'll probably get flamed like crazy for this, but I believe in personal responsibility. And I believe that actions speak louder than words. A girl who says "no" and walks into the woods with a guy is not sufficiently supporting her words with action. A girl who says "no" and lets him take her clothes off is not sending a clear message that she doesn't want to do it. She is rewarding his persistence and determination. And I can't respect a guy who does things like that, but I won't call him a rapist. Jerk, yes. Rapist, no.
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Uncle Heavy [sic] Posted Jul 20, 2002
well said...although there is a fine line, that is hard to judge, and you have to be sympathetic
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Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor Posted Jul 20, 2002
She was an eighth grader going on freshman... so about 14-15
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E G Mel Posted Jul 22, 2002
I agree with you, if you can't control yourself under the influence don't get drunk, it's as simple as that.
Mel
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The Butcher Posted Jul 22, 2002
8th grader? You've got to be kidding! What is a kid that age doing at a drinking party? Where were the parents? I thought you were talking about someone ready to graduate high school and go into college, not from junior high into high school!
If ANYONE was bing irresponsible, it was this girl's guardians. NOT the other kids (like you) at the party.
When I hear stories like this it really makes me sad. Kids getting into crap like that...grrrrr...
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Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor Posted Jul 23, 2002
Well her dad ran out on her mom and her mom was extreamly poor and tending to her younger sisters, In North Idaho a party has to be like that, it can be boring to kids if they dont, well anyway, I am not making any sence here, but there is NOTHING for kids to do besides go to parties, or camping, which camping often includes (even with parents) drinking, or smoking, which makes it a party, I am sure there are other things to do, but people are lazy so there you have it... there were a bunch of kids at my elementery school (my younger brother's 6th grade year) who got busted for having alcohol, cigarettes and pot in the forest on school property (oh the things that went on in that forest, I can only imagine what goes on now!
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E G Mel Posted Jul 23, 2002
T'is the way of life I'm afraid, you will always find the generation below you incomprehensible!
Mel
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The Butcher Posted Jul 24, 2002
I find the world incomprehensible. It drives a man to drink. But a man of legal adult age, in my case. Maybe those kids are just ahead of their time...
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Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor Posted Jul 24, 2002
Perhaps, perhaps...
Sometimes life just gives you lemons and you have to make 
Milk
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E G Mel Posted Jul 25, 2002
Well in that case I put the lemons in the lader for the day I want to make lemonade an use the and milk it gave me last week when it wanted black 
Mel
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Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor Posted Jul 26, 2002
But what about the Nutri-matic Drinks Synthesizer and a Nice cup of really hot 
?
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Andrew Wyld [kt:'Burning Pestle', kp:'Mutamems, Ideodiversity', Zaph.] Posted Jul 31, 2002
You're beautiful.
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Andrew Wyld [kt:'Burning Pestle', kp:'Mutamems, Ideodiversity', Zaph.] Posted Aug 1, 2002
It matters not. Take it to heart and enjoy the beauty of small things. Like Helvetica.
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E G Mel Posted Aug 1, 2002
Then thank you for the wonderfull complement, I can see you have an amazing mind!
Mel
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Andrew Wyld [kt:'Burning Pestle', kp:'Mutamems, Ideodiversity', Zaph.] Posted Aug 1, 2002
Actually, to understand the origin of the compliment click on the "this posting is a reply to" link, but otherwise, I meant it to be available to all.
My mind's not that great, really.
Hmm.
[processes]
Thank you.
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E G Mel Posted Aug 1, 2002
I'm easily confused, I give up trying to follow the tree of msgs! 
you're welcome btw!
Mel
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- 61: Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor (Jul 19, 2002)
- 62: E G Mel (Jul 19, 2002)
- 63: The Butcher (Jul 19, 2002)
- 64: Uncle Heavy [sic] (Jul 20, 2002)
- 65: Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor (Jul 20, 2002)
- 66: E G Mel (Jul 22, 2002)
- 67: The Butcher (Jul 22, 2002)
- 68: Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor (Jul 23, 2002)
- 69: E G Mel (Jul 23, 2002)
- 70: The Butcher (Jul 24, 2002)
- 71: Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor (Jul 24, 2002)
- 72: E G Mel (Jul 25, 2002)
- 73: Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor (Jul 26, 2002)
- 74: E G Mel (Jul 29, 2002)
- 75: Andrew Wyld [kt:'Burning Pestle', kp:'Mutamems, Ideodiversity', Zaph.] (Jul 31, 2002)
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- 80: E G Mel (Aug 1, 2002)
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