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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Started conversation May 19, 1999
A good burning seems to do a city good. Some time ago I visited Chicago; where, I am given to understand, the very popular and attractive Park Belt, along the shore of Lake Michigan, sprang from from the ash and cinders of the Chicago Fire. Apparently, the city fathers of the time simply bulldozed the debris into what has become home to, among other things, Soldier Field, The Field Natural History Museum, a fine garden, and more baseball diamonds than you can shake a stick at (Ahem!).
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Global Village Idiot Posted May 20, 1999
This is what the Guide's for - developing bizarre and unprovable theories, by which we can all live our lives!
To add my contribution, San Francisco is regularly burned thanks to the broken gas pipes which often result from the ground getting a touch of the shivers. The main benefit from the quake & fire of 1917 (or thereabouts. I'm not strong on dates) was the building of a monument to the city's firemen on the hill above the city.
The two things about this which appeal to my prurient, puerile streak are that it is called the Coit Tower (nearly a rude word), and it is shaped like a gigantic fireman's nozzle, if you know what I mean.
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted May 20, 1999
You mean, if I may suggest, that it takes the form of Christopher Wren's last erection.
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted May 20, 1999
...also, it now occurs to me, a monument to another good burning, the Great Fire of London.
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Ginger The Feisty Posted May 21, 1999
It's time for another monument....where's the matches?
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted May 21, 1999
Where would you suggest is most in need of little smoke and flame?
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Global Village Idiot Posted May 22, 1999
What makes you think anything that wet will burn?
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Ginger The Feisty Posted May 22, 1999
Good point but that means most of the UK won't burn!
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted May 22, 1999
What you need is a Manchester version of Scarlet O'Hara.
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted May 22, 1999
Apart from Old Trafford, are there any notable landmarks you would spare?
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Ginger The Feisty Posted May 22, 1999
Not Old Trafford for a start! I might leave the Old House At Home Pub but that's about it!
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted May 22, 1999
This is like SimCity. What would you replace the rubble with? My choice is usually to replace everything I don't like with a garden. It's a bit sad about Old Trafford. ;-(
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Ginger The Feisty Posted May 22, 1999
I think the rubble should stand as a monument to what happens to cities that get like Manchester. Like the idea of the gardens though so long as they are not too formal and people don't dump their shopping trollies in them!
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted May 22, 1999
My gardens are hardly ever frormal (Never to formal). People who bring shopping carts are seldom invited back. Is there anything in particular that would put Manchester ahead of , say, Paris on the list of places to be burned? The Eiffel Tower would make a superlative bean trellis. I've travelled through Manchester a few times (usually on the way to the airport), and it didn't seem especially offensive; no more than, say, Nottingham.
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Ginger The Feisty Posted May 22, 1999
Yeah, I lived there and the people are generally awful. Every time something new is put into Manchester, for instance a park, it is trashed within weeks. but all the people do is complain that they never get anything and how lucky we are in the south to have such things as parks!
Do you want to come and do my garden? It's in need of renewal!
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted May 22, 1999
My own garden is a shambles, too. I'm afraid it's a case of the cobblers children having no shoes. That's an aweful shame about Manchester. I've heard the same thing said of Nottingham, where I come from. You get the sense, sometimes, that peoples standards, all over, are going down the toilet. The town where I do my gardening is quite an affluent one; but people just don't know how to behave anymore (I'm making myself feel old). I like to tell people about the "Keep off the grass" signs in the parks when I was a kid. We didn't always obey the signs. But we damn well knew we were expected to. I think that's the difference.
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Ginger The Feisty Posted May 22, 1999
I don't want to seem old either but my generation had much more rspect for the things we had. We enjoyed them not destroyed them.
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted May 23, 1999
Exactly. We weren't exactly little angels; we got into trouble sometimes. But we were brought up with a sense of right and wrong. Our parents were responsible. I despair for some of the kids I see today. They run around like wild animals. What's worse, their parents don't seem to have any idea about what's acceptable behaviour. My two nemeses are canada geese and people. In their relationship to my gardens, the are almost the same thing. Sorry I'm ranting.
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- 1: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (May 19, 1999)
- 2: Global Village Idiot (May 20, 1999)
- 3: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (May 20, 1999)
- 4: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (May 20, 1999)
- 5: Ginger The Feisty (May 21, 1999)
- 6: John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" (May 21, 1999)
- 7: Ginger The Feisty (May 22, 1999)
- 8: Global Village Idiot (May 22, 1999)
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