h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

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Jimster, are these the ones you're talking about?

Well, yes. But surely if the whole thing is a Dalek scam, then there is no surprise to see visual clues to the Daleks? I must be missing something subtle here...

Jimster - you're worse than the Guardian Crossword!

Anyone else think we should either bribe him or threaten him?

I do remember very fondly that Omega had aliens/servants made of bubble-wrap.

Bubble wrap... how does this series manage without it?

Right then, let's think about this.

If the Daleks have been manipulating human progress since say, our time, then that would explain why the humans on platform 5/The Game Station are still pratting about with projectile weapons and radio style communications devices (I think we see call-centre style headsets). Now, there's no way the Daleks would've been deliberately leaving clues as to that fact scattered around the place, so it must be another person/race/thing that's leaving 'Bad Wolf' littered all over the place. Let's say that entity is trying to warn the Doctor about what's going on. We didn't see any evidence in 'Bad Wolf' that the Controller could time-travel, or influence previous history, so I don't think it's her.

I keep thinking of the 'Adherents of the Repeated Meme'. 'Bad Wolf' is very obviously just that. We saw them supposedly working for Cassandra, but what if that wasn't their main function? Or what if it was, and Cassandra was more than she seemed. Cassandra in Greek history was a seeress. Someone who looked into the future. How old are we told she is?

In The Unquiet Dead we are told that Rose has seen the big bad wolf. Or are we? The line is 'The things you've seen... the big bad wolf'. Are those two statements separate?

Design... The galaxy in the centre of the Big Brother logo. Big Brother is watching the whole galaxy? Who makes it their job to observe? The Timelords do.

Well, *this* series manages very well without it, but in the past it was truly the special effects mans most trusted friend.

Well, that and hairdryers, anyway...

Don't forget the spray painted overalls...

I must say it did occur to me that a lot of the assumptions in this thread were based on Rose being told she'd seen the BBW, but that wasn't my recollection and the flashback we saw confirmed my suspicion.

Exactly. I think those two statements are desigend to be separate, hence the pause between them. I think 'the big bad wolf' is something that's been put into Gwenth's head to say, not something she can see in Rose's mind.

What are the other things that Gwynneth mentions? I remember aeroplanes and I think I remember cars. Was the list actually a list of transport devices... which would bring us back to the TARDIS?

Ben

Mind you Gwyneth did see Cars, planes and fashion in Rose's mind, if she has seen the BBW it could have been anytime between Father's Day and Rose

It's not just transport devices, she mentions 'so many people... and grey buildings [concrete?]'. But there's a pause, Reefgirl. It's like Gywneth has finished listing what's in Rose's mind, and has had an idea dropped in from somewhere else, hence the pause, the change of voice and expression.

I think Jimster's right, I think there's two things going on here. The manipulation of time, the daleks and the Bad Wolf.

I think we're setting two much store by The Unquiet's Dead's reference, and forgetting the others.

The way it sounded to me was that she was getting disjointed images from Rose's mind

It's another debate we'll be having for the next few days I guess

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The galaxy in the Big Brother logo. I'm sure that's a hint to Timelord involvement. Don't forget that in Confidential CE said 'he believes he's the last of the timelords', which is Hell of a way from 'he is the last of the timelords'.

And all those hands. Hand of Omega, anyone?

Just read in next weeks tv guide that the cybermen are back next series, also Dr Whos demise starts in this next episode and dovetails into the xmas special which has heartbreak on xmas eve and lights and stuff.

Kerr:

>> I think Jimster's right, I think there's two things going on here. The manipulation of time, the daleks and the Bad Wolf. <<


I'm not going to say it. Not with my maths. Someone else can.

You've got me thinking though... YES, *again*! (tut!)

Okay, here are some more facts to muddy the waters.

We're told that the 'last dalek' dies in 2012. We're also told that the Dalek first arrived over 50 years earlier, crash-landed on the Ascension Islands, where it lay boiling and going insane. It passed from collection to collection until finally it became the property of Henry van Statten.

In other words, the Dalek arrived on Earth in 1963, the same year its TV counterparts were first seen.

It died in 2012, realising that it was unable to receive instructions from the Daleks. Had the Daleks been present then, would that lone soldier dalek have been aware of them?

Let's say no.

But by the next episode, we see into the far future that something has installed The Mighty Jagrafess (he of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe). Someone playing a Long Game. I'm assuming that's the Daleks. So, while the Tardis chums dart around time, in real time we have something taking place at some point after 2012 that allows the Daleks to reappear.

It *might* have been connected to the rift the Doctor and Rose witnessed in Cardiff 1869, or again in the same place in 2007.

It *might* have also been to do with Rose's dad dying in 1987 at the right time but a few streets away from where he'd originally died. And Rose and Baby Rose did touch, and we know how dangerous that can be (don't we, Brigadier?).

Or maybe the nanogenes that the Doctor told to self destruct in the 1940s didn't know how to.

Or perhaps Adam did get found by someone at some point after he returned home, post 2012. And perhaps the future technology in his head was alone enough to cause something to undo the effect of the Time War.

Or maybe, the Doctor's interference with the Jagrafess was entirely to blame.

And maybe the next four days are going to be the longest ever...

*wonders if Jimster's getting much work done this week*

I like that galaxy in the BB logo

Does anyone get the Radio Times? they always have an article on what will happen in next weeks episode and this week:

"this is the series going out with a bang"

"'Also theres the crisis of what happens between the Doctor and Rose. What will he do to save her? What will she do to save him?...'" (quote from RTD)

"'I do belive, when you get to the last episode, that you have devoted viewers who have been following every one , and you should pay everything off. So there's some little element of just about every episode in this last one.'
'All these characters you've built up across 13 episodes all have a moment where their existence is paid off. they've earned their place in the final one. Every single one of them helps to save the world and I just love that'" (again, a quote from RTD)

"you will die, Its magic" (RTD) I think that on the surface, this means that it will be very scary, but It could be taken deeper than that to mean the destruction of earth...

Great, I say. Obviously this means the return of characters like Adam, but I think that we have to look further than that. What happened to, say, the undertaker and his maid who had the gelth in their house?