h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Mort
Re: post 501

not that im having a pop at you personally here but just to illistrate a point i have been trying to make for some time now though it seems to be falling on deaf ears, id just like to bring part of your post up again as an example of 1 of my issues

"if someone is misrepresenting the aces then it takes the ____ out of everything i do and makes a mockery of it. i am not prepared to let that happen"

know what the missing word is? anyone? i find nothing offensive about that statement in your post but my point is this, had i put that word in, starred or not, my posts WILL be yikesed, now since i am not talking about this incident i am going on past experience this is not intended in anyway for me to demand your post gets yikesed im just trying to say this is something i cannot say on this site without someone jumping in and yikesing it! do you see my point? does anyone? in laymans terms (not for your benefit Mort, you seem intelligent enough but i believe it has bas been said before some aces have limited ability on this site) im not complaining about my posts getting yikesed, im complaining about 1 rule for 1 and another rule for someone else, your post provided an example, as i said it is not in anyway an attack on you

Spelugx
Re: post 515

"im starting to think that SEF has "i have been repeatedly threatened abused and defamed/libelled by the staff and some researchers with no action taken against them whereas i have posted nothing defamatory, on the truth" on cut and paste"

perhaps she does, i find it interesting reading though i know nothing about her/your (not referring to you specifically here, Whoami? also has spoken to her in this thread too), issues and whatevers been going on with regard to that, but its fascinating how she has been treated in this thread (not seen anything else round the site where ive been anyway), put down and suggested she email offsite (hmm i was invited to email off site, still no responce there but i guess her comments you wouldnt really want ordinary researchers reading lets face it, makes you think doesnt it)?..and we are expected to believe some people on this site do not act like a 'pack of wolves'? from what ive read she has made some valid points, she has also been at 1 point from what i undunderstand, been on both sides of the fence so i think her points are very interesting indeed!

"the other thing that continually annoys myself about this is that you persist in saying 'the staff'. as far as ive seen on site, and as far as youve reported elsewhere the current staff are not in the same league as the old staff (as per your allegations only)"

the same league? lol in view of this particular thread i find that an interesting choice of words?

just an observation, i dont know how anyone else is reading this

SEF
Re: post 524

so i have my posts removed and im a bad person? i point out that some aces have acted innapropriately and perhaps some of them ought to have the rules of conduct explained to them, does this make me a monster? yet an ace can 'ALLEGEDLY', (thats for the benefit of my posting)!, make false accusations, defame someones character and be generally nasty and it would appear they are human and make mistakes from time to time?
a classic example of double standards if this is true!
youve been stalked too? thought it was just me some liked to follow round

Whoami?
Re: post 530

your not losing your temper? im accused of being a troublemaker on more than 1 occassion, you say this thread isnt going anywhere and i have made no valid points as far as you know? as you are an ace start acting like 1, how old are you ffs i have no badge and nobody to answer to on this site, (unless i break the houserules of course), set an example or take it to another thread..its her turn? grow up (no i am not trolling/flaming/ or whatever it is someones bound to accuse me of, im just ggetting back to me, its my thread afterall)

Oetzi
Re: post 543

i doubt anyone in this thread is qualified to help with your alcohol problem, have you tried the A.A/going for detox in a clinic? maybe they could be of more help to you

Kow
Re: post 564

hey this is my thread and i cant access that link, no fair!..whats going on in there? do tell lol

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BN.

Insomic vampire....

I dont want you to slip up at all you
want justis for the wrong you belive done to you..but all any one is saying is the "proof" that is needed now is still a long way off from appering.And it is getting more like a jumping off point for slagging Aces/italic`s each other off now insted of the reason you started the thread this is why people are leaveing the thread becouse it`s the classic tale of one step forward ten step`s back if the "proof" was posted
then maybee it would go forward again
insted of recovering old ground and people comeing onto this thread and starting to talk about a different occasion where there posts was yikes`d and how unfair they was treated in a sertain thread...

insomic vampire...

you admited that you posted to me and it had broken the <./>houserules</.>
but then said "i got one of my cronyies to yikes it for me" Yes becouse like you im on a box and unable to yikes it my self but i was talking to starfleet after who is on a box so i didnt ask him to yikes it for me becouse he cant so we wasn`t gloating at all we was talking and it wasnt about you so we cant have been gloating about your post been yikes`d
the top and bottom of that was your post had broken the house rules and like any other person who came into a disscussion i was haveing and had broken the house rules it would have been removed it wasnt the fact it was you it was the content`s of the post ...

....1 rule for 1 & another rule for another...I agree with ya,it seems that the deleted posts would have been evidence,but,as I mentioned a while ago,there has been more than youself its happened to,others who have never chatted together etc !!.....

My post 530 read:

"...I agree that this thread isn't going anywhere. Then again, it never was. IV hasn't substantiated their claims in any meaningful way so far as I know. However, I'm not losing my temper. I'm going to re-read the discussion with SEF so far before posting any more. Besides, it's her turn. "

At no point did I lose my temper. I'm not saying I was perfectly calm throughout, but I did not lose my temper. Rising to the bait and arguing was not all that productive and I have made my apologies for the way I went about things on that occasion.

I didn't say you'd made no valid points. I said that you hadn't at that time backed them up with the evidence to demonstrate their validity and allowed things to be sorted out.

How old am I? I'm 18. Says so on my PS. But I don't appreciate the 'ffs'. And as for my behaviour, I have been acting properly for the most part, and have made my apologies for where my conduct may have slipped. Just claiming you aren't having a stab at me doesn't make it right, or acceptable, to tell me to grow up, claim that I am no good as an ACE, etc. And besides, this thread is no more 'yours' than it is anyone else's.

Please also note that indicating a joke that could be read badly with a smiley is pretty common practice - so when I said it was SEF's go, there was a friendly chuckle and not a hint of aggression.

Whoami?

~~insomniac.vampire~~

I'm pleased you anticipated my entrance
However, there was nothing underhand in me deleting my threads, i had a few threads i had on my page that i didn't want there, they contained yikes'd posts from both my self & other "researchers", i just found it made my page look "messy"!

As for me running to a "certain ACE", yes i admit i do go to Starfleet alot when i have trouble/problems on here, he was the ACE that first helped me on this site, & i have found him to be nothing but kind, polite, willing & helpful! & yes, he is a friend now too, but only through his helpfulness on h2g2!

As i have stated before, this thread subject was started, probably because had/has a few grudges/problems with "certain ACES", so is this thread nothing but a disguised way at naming those "aces" (although has said she won't name them, i think we all have a pretty good idea who she's on about) & trying to maybe get her own back on past history where she feels wrongly done by them??



lynsey

There's nothing evil in calling upon your Ace (or any Ace) for help - that's why we're here. The thing to remember is that Volunteers don't have any unmoderated extra power - besides the italics, the other Volunteers also express opinions on the way to go about things. It's IMHO a healthy system of checks and balances.

Whoami?

Loup
Re: post 654

just to pick up on 1 of your points here,

"the fact that Insomniac Vampire hasnt been modded for quite a while now, this is something to take into consideration as it does confirm some of the modding of her posts were only done in a specific and limited time scale and that [to her credit] she is not breaking the the house rules anymore"

not necessarily the case, it could infact be that certain people have 'backed off' so as not to draw any attention to themselves in view of the fact ive brought it to the attention of others......maybe?
incidently as ive pointed out dozens of times, my posts that have been justifiably modded i am not complaining about, i am on about things that i have said (not always offensive in my view and the views of others including an ace), and things i have said the same as others (some of whom being aces), im only confused as to why they can say this and i cant..you have said yourself if somebody was provoked you may overlook 1 post for another, surely another example of an ace interpreting the rules to suit a situation or theyre way of handling matters?

as you have stated previously we both agree the aces code of conduct should be reviewed/looked at again/scrutinised more carefully in places but above all i do believe it needs explaining CLEARLY to a number of aces what is stated already because some of them really dont get it and to say 'aces are human, we all make mistakes' quite frankly is a cop-out..im not saying they are not/they are not entitled too but if they are going to go around this site representing h2g2 surely the bbc would like them to follow their rules to the latter and not make them up to suit a situation or consider themselves higher beings when it comes to 'little' albeit sometimes frequent 'slip-ups' (i could think of some other phrases to put my point across better but id only get earache for it)

I.V., The situation with the rules is definitely an instance of dubious or double standards.

I only joined the ACEs because it was obvious the existing ones weren't keeping up with the NewUsers. Even then I *didn't* join for a long while because I *read* the rules and thought they were quite restrictive and badly phrased. Although I am generally polite I have no intention of letting people continue to get away with lies, hypocrisy and defamation without it being made clear to them that they are wrong. Note that because those people have been offensive they are pretty much bound to find having their offensiveness pointed out to themselves and others as offensive in its own right. Even though doing that is both necessary and justified. I could see how that might be a problem if the management was incompetent or corrupt. However, other ACEs assured me the rules were not normally upheld/interpreted that way. I then spent some time watching various ACEs and observed just how rude and offensive they were in their general dealings on the site. So, since I was much better than that it didn't seem a problem to join. However, not being a sycophant seems to be against one of the unwritten rules since I later found even the official rules are very selectively applied as half-predicted.

Time Traveller
Re: post 662


"a suggestion for you. why dont you just shut up and go rant and rave in a padded thread on your own. like i said just a suggestion"

so these comments in this thread are welcome but because SEF dares to question the actions of others i.e the 'staff' and defend her name from libelous comments she is not welcome here? im sorry but i think her comments are wanted here as she is showing another side to some of the 'staff' (i believe this includes aces), and it seems from what im reading they are more than happy to back up her claims by accusing her in this thread of things she may/may not have done and showing qualities in aces some people would have us believe are just not there! if people believe it is relevant (including Time Traveller as was previeviously stated by him), that is important to show another side of 'me' lol (1 that ive never tried to hide i might add), a side that makes me out to be a 'victim' (something im not claiming at all), oh yes and an 'instigator', why not see the other side of our aces on this site?

"its not about you so take your personal grievances elsewhere because people in this thread dont want you here you have been asked to leave so kindly do so"!

as i have only read up to here at this point i would very much hope at least 1 of you aces has told Time Traveller that you just cannot tell other people on this site to get out of a thread! or can you if you dont like whats being said if its in anyway not saying how wonderful h2g2 and its 'staff' are? i should hope as a public site this thread is about everyone and it makes them think about whats going on around them in this site, who told SEF to leave? she has made some valuable comments to this thread even if we dont agree with some/all of them, why should she? she has as much right to be here as anybody else, that would include people who think they have something constructive to add, people who are on the defensive/attack, and lets not forget those that have created an account just for the benefit of this thread yeah yeah i know no names, pity though i could add a whole new side to this debate!

... or half un-predicted?

At the end of the day if u dont like whats bein written or any1 whos in this thread then leave...no one asks u to be here...
n yes it is vamps thread as she created the debate....n there are obvioulsy 2 halves here....those who see the points vamps r makin n those who r defending themselves against her allegations....
of course ur not goin to like the subjects raised here...but whos holding a gun to ur heads to be here????
therefore y mention who should be here n what should be said...
i dont htink any of u have the right to point out who/what u think relevant here.....or r u missing the point again???? (insert confused stupid face here) lol

Jab
Re: post 739

ill not bring everything up, cos if i did id probably be accused of having a tone or some other jumped up excuse to yikes this lol (referring to your points made about previous posts and certain words)

"backlog is ignored or forgotten"

or perhaps people only chose to answer things that shows the aces in their best light and me for being hacked off at having some posts removed and my pal given a lifetime ban - not an opinion, just a possibility but hey what would i know? im just a troublemaker lol

"aces are seen as untouchable"

well it would seem people who have been on both sides of the fence have agreed with that statement, and anyone who does agree is simply wrong end of!

"is it fair to assume this is about the aces that followed life banned researcher A**L about"

"there is more to it than just him. there is a group on hon here so set to destroy other users it would not matter if A**L had shot himself down by posting when suspended... they are so devious they are in a win-win situation. post attacks, and get to hide behide badges, or get the user banned"

no Jab, it isnt fair to just assume anything, or move yourself or your 'badge' into a thread without reading the facts and trying to keep an open mind and look at this from both sides but, lets face it by making this thread about me having a pop at aces cos they went out of their way to get my pal barred off this site does steer the thread away from whats really going so you could say why not? if i was sat somewhere else in this debate i might well refer to A**L every now and again myself but then im not an ace and im not pretending to be anything im not

"there are DUFF aces, not because they are in the above group, they are just DUFF as aces"

i think thats the heart of most of the problems on this site!

"even if 'IV' ace problems relates to yet another set of aces, it still means the aces code of conduct goes along with helping the abuse of users... people are either not being informed properly, thick, lazy or enjoy the rows too much"

well if this thread acheives little else lets at least put it to them upstairs that the aces code of conduct is explained in detail to the 'DUFF' aces (not that im daring to single anyone out, let the powers that be who took the decision to make them aces decide if some aces need things explained in laymans terms instead of leaving them to get on with it unchecked, now thats lazy but its just an opinion), or those aces who act as though they misunderstood something cos its a convenient excuse at the end of the day for doing something not right and getting away with it..as for those aces that like the rows, you'll be pleased to know not all of them are completely stupid they make other usernames for that dont they, credit where credits due! - you see im not knocking everyone, just some