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Skankyrich [?] Posted Oct 16, 2006
All addressed - thank you very much! I've also added some links to those Entries, and will try to find more as the project gets closer to completion. Thanks again!
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Oct 16, 2006
Rodents
Again you keep switching between "it" and "they" when describing the animals.
You have:
"in Britain, species belong to either:"
followed by a list of two types. But there is no "or" between them, so you can't really use "either" in this way. You could say "belong to either of two types:"
Rattus norveticus --> Rattus norvegicus
Neither the brown (or Norway) rat Rattus norveticus or black rat -->
Neither the brown (or Norway) rat Rattus norvegicus nor black rat
peoples’ homes --> people's homes
by their tail, which will be half or less than half the length of its body -->
by their tail, which will be half or less than half the length of their body
well-buried in its fur -- add a full stop
but the two are fairly easy to differentiate -- it's not clear what "the two" are, here. Is it water voles and rats, or water voles and water rats?
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Oct 17, 2006
A13502422 - Mammal Surveying
Whether in your garden on local nature reserve -- change on to or
Who: The recorder was --> Who the recorder was
and the same for the other lines in the list.
Since you talk about sexing, you should use the word sex rather than gender, I think.
whethger --> whether
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Oct 17, 2006
A10892126 - Overview
The overview looks a bit sparse in some areas and overly detailed in others.
Vertebrata. These are creatures which have vertebrates -- No, in fact, these are creatures which have vertebrae, but I think this is still a bit technical. These are creatures which have a backbone, a long flexible bone running the length of their body and composed of vertebrae.
The list of deer is inconsistent in singular and plural - you say
Red deer was introduced, Sika deer were introduced, Fallow deer were introduced, Roe deer was hunted etc.
"All terrestrial British carnivores belong to the Mustelidae family, which is the largest grouping of carnivores in the world. " -- that contradicts what you say in the Carnivores entry.
Mustela lutreaola -- my encyclopaedia gives it as lutreola.
Microchoptera --> Microchiroptera
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Oct 17, 2006
I presume the Odd-toes, Even-toes and Whales are not ready for review yet.
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Skankyrich [?] Posted Oct 17, 2006
Sorry, I've wasted a bit of your time on the Overview entry - I should have pointed out that, as it says on the project page, it will be the last one to be completed. I wrote the bare bones to keep track of what I was doing, but the whole thing needs pretty much starting again - when I started, I wasn't sure how to approach it, and I think it shows in the Overview! I'll come back here and check those pointshyaven't escaped the re-write when I do it, though.
I've had some good pointers on the cetaceans today from the project leader at the Trust today - it's very difficult to define which are native and which aren't. We think the best way would be to talk about the dozen or so species people are likely to see from the shore. Even-toes are very much a work in progress, and the only odd-toes are domesticated horses, so I'll probably just crop them out of the project apart from a short mention in the Overview.
Thanks for your help!
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Skankyrich [?] Posted Nov 16, 2006
The whole thing is now complete
The project page is A14530312.
I think the only Entries you haven't seen completed are A16299417 (artiodactyls), A10892126 (overview) and A17436170 (cetaceans). I've made all the changes you pointed out last time, though If you get chance, I'd appreciate it if you could have a read!
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Nov 17, 2006
Keep nudging and I'll get around to looking at these eventually. Not tonight though. It's 00:01 and I've just had a pint of beer.
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Skankyrich [?] Posted Nov 20, 2006
I forgot to nudge you!
I've asked for Alex to get editing rights, but obviously the Entries will be submitted to Peer Review anyway - hope you can find time to comment on them there.
Sorry for being so slack...
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Nov 20, 2006
Here are my suggested changes. I'll try and remember to post them in Peer Review when the entries get there.
Artiodactyls
Your discussion of even-toed assumes that the reader knows all mammals evolved from a five-toed animal. If they don't know this, your description of animals as only having the third and fourth toe doesn't make much sense.
which sets a "close season" -- should that be "closed season"?
"various attempts to reintroduce them failed in medieval times before recent escapees from farms have developed into a few wild populations around the country" -- this sound clumsy, with mixed tenses. Split it into two:
various attempts to reintroduce them failed in medieval times. Recent escapees from farms, however, have developed into a few wild populations around the country
"Known as elk in other parts of the world" -- I believe this is misleading, as elk in Northern Europe are Moose. But I'm not sure.
Their antlers can stretch up to a metre in width -- this suggests a span of a metre, where in fact they span two metres between the two antlers.
"as the hybrid the species produce is infertile" -- this is clunky because of the confusion over whether you mean singular species or plural species. It would be plainer just to say "the hybrid is infertile".
"this is illegal under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 to do this" -- remove the phrase "to do this".
treated closing the gates as a low priority...
Ending a sentence with three dots is ok in a conversation, but not in an Edited Entry.
Cetaceans
it is similar in size to human adult -->
it is similar in size to a human adult
to go to watch whalesare the Western Isles -- insert space after whales
Overview
from which domesticated weasels are evolved -- do you mean ferrets?
by sticking using only 'sub' --> by sticking to using only 'sub'
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Skankyrich [?] Posted Nov 20, 2006
Thanks Gnomon! I've asked Alex to come and take a look, as he now has the subbing rights. You're right as usual in all of those above, though
Domesticated weasels indeed
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Nov 20, 2006
Thanks.
Rich, did you ever do a word count on your project? I'm wondering how many words I should write for my project. It seems to be coming out at about 20,000.
British Mammals project
AlexAshman Posted Nov 20, 2006
My Royal Navy 'project' came to 18,747 words and that wasn't even meant to be a project...
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Skankyrich [?] Posted Nov 20, 2006
I didn't actually! I've just counted a few of the Entries in their draft version, and I reckon it must be about 10-12,000 words. I just wrote until I thought I'd covered everything - maybe you've just got more to write about than me?
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Nov 20, 2006
I just wanted to check I wasn't writing far too little. My project covers 1,200 years of history so at 20,000 words, it's only 16 words per year!
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Skankyrich [?] Posted Nov 20, 2006
Mine works out at about 250 words per mammal, which doesn't sound much either!
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