A Conversation for Grammar: If you're writing 'if', consider whether it should be 'whether' instead.

Peer Review: A37670367 - Grammar: whether or if?

Post 21

kuzushi



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Ok, I've tried to rectify this.


Peer Review: A37670367 - Grammar: whether or if?

Post 22

van-smeiter

<<"I was just wondering if this is a very local Northern Ireland expression, or if it's more widely used." Does the fact that the writer is wondering depend on something being a local NI expression? Of course we know that he's trying to say,"I was just wondering whether this is a very local Northern Ireland expression, or whether it's more widely used" from context and common sense, but by using 'if' instead of 'whether' his meaning is ambiguous. It could be taken to mean, "If this is a very local Northern Ireland expression, then in that case I was just wondering", which admittedly would be a bizarre thing to say.>>

If you ignore the "or is it more widely used?" part of the sentence, then the sentence could be taken to mean what you say. However, as the sentence stands, there is no ambiguity. The sentence may be more elegantly phrased (e.g. "I was wondering whether this expression is local to Northern Ireland or is it more widely used?") but the meaning is effectively communicated in both examples.

You need *clear* examples of ambiguity; contradiction in terms though that may sound! smiley - winkeye

The pronouns in your entry must be consistent; 'the writer' should be a "he" or a "she" in every instance.

Keep polishing KZWG smiley - ok


Peer Review: A37670367 - Grammar: whether or if?

Post 23

kuzushi

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That's true.


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smiley - laugh Nice one!


Peer Review: A37670367 - Grammar: whether or if?

Post 24

van-smeiter

What's happening with this entry KZWG? I hope it's heading for inclusion in the Guide smiley - ok


Peer Review: A37670367 - Grammar: whether or if?

Post 25

kuzushi


Good question.
I don't know. How does it get into the guide?


Peer Review: A37670367 - Grammar: whether or if?

Post 26

van-smeiter

I think a Scout has to select it and forward it to the Eds or somesuch. I see the Entry has been moved out of PR to the writing workshop. Did you do that or was it one of the Scouts?


Peer Review: A37670367 - Grammar: whether or if?

Post 27

kuzushi


Must have been someone else.


Peer Review: A37670367 - Grammar: whether or if?

Post 28

lil ~ Auntie Giggles with added login ~ returned


I'm surprised this has been moved without any prior notification smiley - erm

To be honest the Workshop is probably the best place as you have not, as yet, completed the article to a 'finishing point'.

Van, you have been a marvelous in helping your friend keep up the momentum. Please carry on smiley - ok

I look forward to seeing this article return to PR and, eventually seeing on the <./>FrontPage</.>


lil xx


Peer Review: A37670367 - Grammar: whether or if?

Post 29

TRiG (Ireland) A dog, so bade in office

I'd missed this till I saw a reference to it in the Dawkins thread. The whether/if usage is something I'm aware of, and I do try to be careful with it, at least in writing.

With a little polishing, this will make a respectable addition to the Edited Guide.

TRiG.smiley - smiley


Peer Review: A37670367 - Grammar: whether or if?

Post 30

KB

I must admit, I don't really agree, TRiG. It's essentially a grammatical pet peeve dressed as an Entry.


Peer Review: A37670367 - Grammar: whether or if?

Post 31

Pastey

Ignore this posting please, it's a test.


Peer Review: A37670367 - Grammar: whether or if?

Post 32

Nosebagbadger {Ace}

Don't make me do anything Pastey, smiley - smiley

though this is relatively close to good standard - I might grab it after my exams (tag)


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