h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Entry: Upminster - A3382328
Author: JonPaulSartre - U1174513

I would like this to be included in the main version for everyone to look at and comment upon.
Kind regards

Hi JPS - not a bad start at all, but I would really like to know more about the place. It's still a bit short for inclusion into the edited guide, but with a little bit more padding it would not have a problem.

Check out this link for ideas on what to include in your entry --> A1286921. It gives some good advice on what to talk about.

I hope this helps!

Woodpigeon

Yes, a bit more would be nice.

In Upminster could we define hell as other people, for instance?

What's with the windmills?

Any famous Upminsterians?

What's the history of Upminster?

Yadda, yadda...

Good luck with it, , sprout

Hi there,

It looks like you are new to h2g2. I'm sure there is more you can tell us about glorious upminster, places of interest, a little history, what it was like before urban spwal etc. For example I found out a link with near Upminster for Ian Dury and used it in A1012483.

This is not quite ready for inclusion in the edited guide. It is a breif overveiw and you can work on it and do a little research to make it better check out the edit entry guidelines below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/EditedGuide-Guidelines

note - Upmister is in London Bourgh of Havering, so I'm dubious on it's essexness, I'm not near a map with county borders on so can't check at the moment

Yes it is Essex, but it is one of the areas that was gobbled up into 'Greater London' as the city expanded. It's much like the situation in say Croydon which can be called Surrey, or most of West London which can be called Middlesex, despite the fact that that county hasn't existed as an administrative unit in donkey's years.

Oh, and this piece really does need to be expanded before it can be considered for inclusion in the Edited Guide. There've been several useful hints and ideas posted in the first few posts in the thread. Why don't you follow them

Its address is in Essex - in fact the Essex address goes all the way to Ilford - if not further, I'm not sure past that. But it's inside the M25.

don't you mean WAS essex. If it, like ilfraud, is in a London Bourgh, we don't want it anymore, London gets it.

There's a big sign on the A127 about 1 mile from the M25 saying welcome to Essex, therefore everything to the west of it is not essex and true born essex-folk should live free of the reputations of romford and dagenham

You say 'we' as if you speak for all Essex people, and I'm afraid you don't. I've had a look at a few maps, and it seems that the London borough bits of Essex aren't included in the county maps, but its address *is* Essex and I think Upminster just scrapes in on the county map. I'm stuck with online maps now, as all mine are at home so I can't see properly.

Did check at lunch in a proper atlas, Upminster definatly is not in essex. They moved the boarders in 1965. Hence the large sign by the M25.

Only Averly near the Thames, and some of are area around chigwell are essex inside the M25. Upminster is definatly inside Greater London

I'm not really sure what you're arguing about - the address *is* Essex.

I grew up in Romford, which was consumed by Greater London and has been a part of the LB of Havering since then, but the people who live there still consider it to be Essex, rather than London. Without being able to look this up, I believe that the official Post Office address for Romford is still 'Romford, Essex'. It certainly was for at least 20 years after the creation of the GLC.

That's neither here nor there though - Romford is the spiritual home of Essex Man and Essex Girl

Creation of Metropolitan boroughs doesn't really change an ancient county boundary though - if you ask most people, Stoke's still in Staffordshire, Manchester and Liverpool are in Lancashire and Bristol's in Somerset and Plymouth is part of Devon, even though it has very little in common with it.

Local government boundaries were re-drawn years ago and Middlesex ceased to exist - but towns like Staines are very much still in Middlesex. Most of Middlesex was in Greater London, but Staines is outside that boundary yet still the wrong side of the River Thames to be part of Surrey.

But people like a county to belong to - Staines is technically in the Borough of Spelthorne, but no-one living there would ever put that on their address in a million years.

Anyway, enough of this rambling. I'm no longer a Scout, but surely this shouldn't be in Peer Review for much longer?

It's an excellent little bit of the unedited Guide but it's not going to be EG material without a serious re-work.

And we all live in a Passport to Pimlico world.

It is techinally wrong to say Upminster is in Essex, it was in Essex, people like to call it Essex, but look on the map, it is not inside the borders of Essex

Question: if Stoke-on-Trent decided to secede from the rest of the UK, would anyone bother to stop them?

(I was born there, I'm allowed to say that!)

I take your point, but I'd say that Mina's - that the postal address says 'Essex', so in a way it is still in Essex - is equally valid.

Wouldn't it make the entry more interesting to include the London/Essex argument rather than to haggle about it here?

By the way, Liverpool has *never* been part of Lancashire... not spiritually anyway Liverpool is as much like the rest of Lancashire as London is like the rest of the UK.

Or Plymouth is like the rest of Devon. Well, it seems clear that there's an interesting EG entry to be written about Upminster, at any rate...

postal addresses ???

like the postmen care anyway, in reality until it gets to street and house numbers, all that matters is the postcode !


If I write my current address as

Withington, Manchester, Greater Manchester
Withington, Manchester, Lanchashire
Withington, Greater Manchester
Withington, Cheshire
Withington, East of Wales

as long as I have M20 .... it'll get there nomatter where the county borders are.

My point of view is that as you drive out of Romford towards the M25, you pass a sign saying Welcome to Essex. Therefore, I wasn't in essex before ! Also the country boundaries are clearly marked on maps, the line as been drawn !

It's your entry mate, you do what you want with it.

There are signs saying welcome to Essex all over the damn place, when you haven't even left it in other directions!

Google search -

Results 1 - 10 of about 148,000 for upminster essex.
Results 1 - 10 of about 141,000 for upminster london.

I win.