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Farlander Started conversation Aug 31, 2004
Entry: Operation Mincemeat - The Man Who Never Was - A2955242
Author: Farlander - the one with misplaced priorities - U206300
Hello there again,
I've always loved World War II history, and I was rather surprised that there isn't an article here about the greatest counterintelligence operation in the history of modern warfare. So I took it upon myself to write one.
I'm fairly certain I've eliminated all the smart quotes, and I've corrected as many typos as could - though I have no doubt there are plenty more that I've missed.
Cheers,
Farlander.
PS: I'm sorry if your eyeballs fall out!!!
A2955242 - Operation Mincemeat - The Man Who Never Was
Whisky Posted Aug 31, 2004
You're not the only one who's surprised... I went for a look around as well - just to check there wasn't one...
Only one suggestion on a quick read-through...
"the relocation of an entire group of German R-boats"
(Mincemeat Swallowed Whole - Paragraph N°4)
What on earth was an 'R-boat' - I've heard of E-boats and obviously U-boats but not the R prefix
Excellently written by the way!
A2955242 - Operation Mincemeat - The Man Who Never Was
Whisky Posted Aug 31, 2004
Ok, found them with a quick google...
R-Boats - aka Räumboote or Minesweeper
Could be worth an extra footnote or put the explanation in brackets for us ignoramuses (ignorami?)
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J Posted Aug 31, 2004
I wish some h2g2 historian would someday recognize that you have written the most footnotes in EG entries
Not that it's a bad thing. When you have an entry with this many details and interesting asides, one can hardly be blamed. I like the entry, very much.
"it was know that"
Known, perhaps?
"would drain the Allies of all its resources"
I usually hear they used when the antecedent is Allies, rather than it.
"Ultimately they had too settle"
To.
"the tides of war. . A red "
One dot
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U168592 Posted Aug 31, 2004
Fan-bleeding-tastic. Although I have to say my interest is perhaps more than the average 'Joe' as my grandfather took part in Operation Husky I enjoyed readng this Entry. It's long, granted, but is entertaining and not bogged down with boring numbers and jargon (and is there is jargon there's a wonderful amount of footnotes to find. Perhaps even a glossary! ) I liked it an awful lot and the only thing I can think to recommend is some more links to various h2g2 entries ( A930232 ), some BBC History pages ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/ )and even the dna hub WW2 Peoples War site ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ww2/ ).
PGHF
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Felonious Monk - h2g2s very own Bogeyman Posted Aug 31, 2004
Shoot my bloody fox, would you, you swine? I've just been writing an entry on the same subject myself! But I hand't got very far and yours is much better . This is an excellent and through treatement. The only thing I would add is that there is a film about this story, starring Ronald Neame, which is well worth watching.
All in all, absolutely superb. You must have been reading my mind.
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McKay The Disorganised Posted Aug 31, 2004
Nice one Farlander. I seem to recall some detail of him having some scotch in his pocket, to encourage the idea of his being slightly irresponsible.
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Farlander Posted Aug 31, 2004
Hello everybody, and thanks for taking the time to read!
Whisky: Didn't I say somewhere that R-Boats were German Motor Torpedo Boats? I did... one paragraph ahead of the unaccompanied one you read! Thanks for looking up the German name for me though.
Jodan: I knew I could count on you to find my typos!
Hoopy Frood: Argh! Links! I knew I'd forgotten something!
Monk: You know, all the time I was writing this, I was driven by this pressing urgency to complete it. Hey, if you can find any additional information regarding this operation, I wouldn't mind making this a collab.
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Woodpigeon Posted Sep 1, 2004
Hi Farlander,
This is a terrific piece! What a story! Well done!
Two minor typos:
found drifting off coast of Huelva --> drifting off the coast
The island of Sicily lay in the middle of the Mediterranean --> and apparently it still does - you should use the present tense.
Great work!
Woodpigeon
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Farlander Posted Sep 1, 2004
Well, Woodpigeon, I haven't been to Sicily recently, so for all I know it could have drifted south to Africa..... I'm kidding!!! Thanks for spotting both typos! I've corrected both.
Thanks!
Far.
PS: Yeah, this is my favourite WWII story. It just had to be told.
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Felonious Monk - h2g2s very own Bogeyman Posted Sep 1, 2004
There's only one comment I'd wish to make, and that is that I've never heard of 'vigor mortis'. It's quite a frightening prospect.
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Farlander Posted Sep 1, 2004
You've never heard of corpses who move after death?
Oh dear! How did I ever manage to make that mistake?!! Thanks, Monk!
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Beth [h2g2] Posted Sep 21, 2004
Hi guys,
It's great to see you all working together. A scout has recommended this now, did you and Monk want to collaborate on the piece or are you happy for it to go through?
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Felonious Monk - h2g2s very own Bogeyman Posted Sep 21, 2004
Hi,
I think that the glory should be all Farlander's, personally. I have two pieces waiting in the wings, and anyway, he's done a much better job of it than I was going to.
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Felonious Monk - h2g2s very own Bogeyman Posted Sep 21, 2004
Actually, now I come to think of it, wasn't it Marlowe's body they used: A2577206?
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Hoovooloo Posted Sep 21, 2004
Can I suggest the word "worthless" be removed? It seems unnecessarily harsh as well as speculative.
Other than that, brilliant and gripping.
H.
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Felonious Monk - h2g2s very own Bogeyman Posted Sep 21, 2004
I agree. He obviously mattered to someone at some point, like most alcoholic vagrants do.
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Farlander Posted Sep 22, 2004
Thanks to everybody! And sorry I wasn't around to reply to your posts earlier, or to make that small correction. I'll let my sub-ed know. Thanks again!
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Peer Review: A2955242 - Operation Mincemeat - The Man Who Never Was
- 1: Farlander (Aug 31, 2004)
- 2: Whisky (Aug 31, 2004)
- 3: Whisky (Aug 31, 2004)
- 4: J (Aug 31, 2004)
- 5: U168592 (Aug 31, 2004)
- 6: Felonious Monk - h2g2s very own Bogeyman (Aug 31, 2004)
- 7: McKay The Disorganised (Aug 31, 2004)
- 8: Farlander (Aug 31, 2004)
- 9: Woodpigeon (Sep 1, 2004)
- 10: Farlander (Sep 1, 2004)
- 11: Felonious Monk - h2g2s very own Bogeyman (Sep 1, 2004)
- 12: Farlander (Sep 1, 2004)
- 13: Beth [h2g2] (Sep 21, 2004)
- 14: Felonious Monk - h2g2s very own Bogeyman (Sep 21, 2004)
- 15: Felonious Monk - h2g2s very own Bogeyman (Sep 21, 2004)
- 16: Hoovooloo (Sep 21, 2004)
- 17: Felonious Monk - h2g2s very own Bogeyman (Sep 21, 2004)
- 18: h2g2 auto-messages (Sep 22, 2004)
- 19: U168592 (Sep 22, 2004)
- 20: Farlander (Sep 22, 2004)
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